Chat Transcript for 02/18/08

[10:54] Lovely Encore: Need a place to sit? Rockcliffe Unveristy is an event partner for today's Metanomics discussion! We have plenty of seats, pizza and beer ....come hang out with the Rockcliffe community! Here is the slurl: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rockcliffe%20I/150/224/69

[10:54] Rhonda Ireport: Hey everyone :)

[10:54] Nany Kayo: Is this going to be on TV? nice to cruz in lowlag at home and watch.

[10:55] Cortana Euler: I am sorry, but I do not see media stream on teh bottom

[10:55] Alanagh Recreant: hey Rhonda :)

[10:55] Cortana Euler: How do I get it working?

[10:55] Illijana Beerbaum: Plenty space:http://slurl.com/secondlife/Pixel%20Expo%20I/255/52/51

[10:55] Illijana Beerbaum: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Pixel%20Expo%20I/255/52/51

[10:55] JimmyJet Fossett: Hey Bevan, saw you at Metaverse U. Took event pics will post up soon. Was a good event. They needed SCLN.TV to do the video though, LOL!

[10:56] Bevan Whitfield: No kidding Jimmy!

[10:56] Alanagh Recreant is looking foward to today's event...

[10:56] IYan Writer: I am on a picture with Rheingold LOL.. in SL projection 2 ms above his head, seemingly editing my appearance :D

[10:56] Bevan Whitfield: Hope they get the MetU videos up soon :-/

[10:56] Harper Beresford: rofl

[10:56] Harper Beresford: nice IYan

[10:57] Marilena Basevi: anyone know how I turn off the music in the background?

[10:57] Bevan Whitfield: good question

[10:57] IYan Writer: (my picosecond of fame I guess) (at least not ruthed)

[10:58] Bevan Whitfield: lol IYan

[10:58] Malburns Writer: music will go when ads finish i think

[10:58] Harper Beresford: turn off the music button?

[10:58] JimmyJet Fossett: Yes, want to check out some of the Metaverse U sessions via video. The session with he AV gesture tracking and Av rendering was really good, shows what may be coming

[10:58] Bevan Whitfield: tried tried tried

[10:58] Harper Beresford: oh video as suggested?

[10:58] Beyers Sellers: hi everybody!

[10:58] Troy McLuhan: There's a volume slider for "Media" in Edit - Preferences - Audio & Video

[10:58] Harper Beresford: hi Beyers!

[10:58] Malburns Writer: Hi Beyers

[10:58] IntLibber Brautigan: hey Beyers

[10:58] Bevan Whitfield: hi Beyers!

[10:59] Curric Vita: Hi Beyers

[10:59] CDB Barkley: Howdy from NMC

[10:59] Bevan Whitfield: ;-)

[10:59] IntLibber Brautigan: is anybody else reading prok uberloud and everybody else very faint?

[10:59] Troy McLuhan: Greetings from Colonia Nova

[10:59] Cortana Euler: Thank you, found it

[10:59] Rhonda Ireport: Is anyone at Muse Isle today?

[10:59] Curric Vita: Wow I just noticed that there is a Prokofy fan club, 60 members, no kidding

[11:00] IntLibber Brautigan: lol yes

[11:00] IntLibber Brautigan: problem is she's not fans of them

[11:00] Malburns Writer: woot - prok fan club!!! where? where?

[11:00] Harper Beresford: intlibber, adjust the individual volumes

[11:01] Curric Vita: Join the Metanomics group!

[11:01] LifeFactory Writer: good morning. Can someone please say where the main event location is? Thank you!

[11:01] Harper Beresford: well, Curric, no one who is not in it will read that

[11:01] Evian Argus: test

[11:01] IntLibber Brautigan: ah so I can turn prok off completely? what joy!!

[11:01] Alanagh Recreant shakes here head...

[11:02] Marilena Basevi: I'd give anything to turn off the bad rock in the background!

[11:02] Curric Vita: naturally, just singing along

[11:02] Fleep Tuque: Can someone send me a TP

[11:02] Malburns Writer: dont be cruel - she is good speaker - looking forward to this!

[11:02] Malburns Writer: lol

[11:02] Alanagh Recreant: Fleep :)

[11:02] Marilena Basevi: yes, can hear you

[11:02] Alanagh Recreant: yes

[11:02] Jeffronius Batra: Sounds great.

[11:02] Malburns Writer: Hiu Fleep

[11:02] Fleep Tuque: Thx!

[11:02] Harper Beresford: poor Beyers

[11:02] Rhonda Ireport: O.o

[11:02] Lyric Wilberg: TEchnology is for headaches

[11:03] Almo Schumann: Harper loves technology.

[11:03] Malburns Writer: Can watch here if anyone wants - http://slurl.com/secondlife/BPF%20Bouwinvest%202/51/188/36

[11:03] IntLibber Brautigan: turning off the HP printer drivers, skype, YIM, MSN, and all the other garbage helps

[11:03] Curric Vita: wow it is *really* crowded in the main event room

[11:04] Illijana Beerbaum: the screen is upside down and backwards... for you too?

[11:04] CDB Barkley: is video on yet?

[11:04] TheProfessor Wycliffe: Although you loose some ability to communicate I've also run seminars where I have everyone at least turn off their "group" name.

[11:04] Yxes Delacroix: not yet, the show will be starting in about 2 minutes. :)

[11:04] CDB Barkley: ok, thx

[11:04] Bevan Whitfield: ok

[11:05] Bevan Whitfield: there, did my part ;-)

[11:05] Curric Vita: Can event partners announce their locations again?

[11:05] Marilena Basevi: OK, so how do you wave, 57?

[11:05] CDB Barkley: Lots of seats at NMC Campus http://slurl.com/secondlife/Outreach/87/125/34

[11:05] Illijana Beerbaum: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Pixel%20Expo%20I/255/52/51

[11:06] Lovely Encore: Need a place to sit? Rockcliffe Unveristy is an event partner for today's Metanomics discussion! We have plenty of seats, pizza and liquid refreshment ....come hang out with the Rockcliffe community! Here is the slurl: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rockcliffe%20I/150/224/69

[11:06] Troy McLuhan: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/193/241/50

[11:07] Malburns Writer: http://slurl.com/secondlife/BPF%20Bouwinvest%202/51/188/36

[11:07] Curric Vita: ** Thanks to everyone taking pictures! ** Please share your photos with links here or send them to me to be posted on Metanomics.net. Thanks!

[11:09] Illijana Beerbaum: the screen is upsidedown and backwards, what can I do?

[11:10] Curric Vita: I think this might be too many people in one forum

[11:10] Troy McLuhan: If you see the video upside down - ask the person in charge of your venue to deploy a second, upside-down screen

[11:10] Malburns Writer: turn off and on again using edit-preferences Illjana - usually fixes

[11:10] Intellagirl Tully: HI Mal!! I blogged about you today

[11:10] Malburns Writer: latest windlight update put temporary bug in quicktime seems

[11:12] Malburns Writer: Hi Intellgirl - woot!

[11:12] Illijana Beerbaum: ok fine, thanks

[11:12] CDB Barkley: Folks are asking if there is a show...

[11:12] Troy McLuhan: This upside-down screen bug goes back at least two years (why the spaceflight museum has two screens)

[11:13] CDB Barkley: meta blue screen nomics

[11:13] Malburns Writer: screen ok here - no sound yet

[11:13] Sonja Strom: uh oh

[11:13] Intellagirl Tully: Beyers crashed and isn't back yet :(

[11:13] Phelan Corrimal: Probably that whole "Linden Labs isn't going to let you back in for 10 minutes" type thing

[11:14] Bevan Whitfield: have to clear cache, that really helps

[11:14] CeAire Decosta: That's what Hawc got earlier when he crashed.

[11:14] Sonja Strom: exactly - computer restart time!

[11:14] Sonja Strom: hmm, thanks Bevan, I will try that.

[11:15] Phelan Corrimal: Linden Lab's version of a "general protection fault" --- must have been borrowed from microsoft

[11:15] Bevan Whitfield: hope it helps

[11:15] Prokofy Neva: Hey is this thing on???

[11:15] Sonja Strom: yes -

[11:15] Lyric Wilberg: yes

[11:15] Rhonda Ireport: Yep, hey there

[11:15] Bevan Whitfield: yep

[11:15] Malburns Writer: Hi Prok - yup

[11:15] Troy McLuhan: Okay then let's begin the discussion: What is the difference between "Real-World Press" and ?

[11:15] Alanagh Recreant waves to Prokofy

[11:15] Prokofy Neva: waves

[11:15] Nany Kayo: glad I missed this one

[11:15] Phelan Corrimal: about $50M/yr

[11:15] John Zhaoying: No difference.

[11:16] Beyers Sellers: hi everyone

[11:16] Sonja Strom: "Das Bild" is real, "Der Spiegel" is not.

[11:16] Typewriter Tackleberry: ok everyone count off

[11:16] Malburns Writer: wb beyers

[11:16] Sonja Strom: 10

[11:16] Lisp Hax: yes

[11:16] John Zhaoying: Sonja - grin.

[11:16] Jeffronius Batra: 51 on CMP1 and 40 on CMP2

[11:18] Fleep Tuque: nice turn out

[11:18] Bevan Whitfield: very nice turnout! good job

[11:18] Intellagirl Tully: totally! should be an interesting talk too!

[11:18] Eric Reuters: its quite flattering so many people cam eout today. thanks all

[11:18] Bevan Whitfield: Always the best show in town!

[11:18] Lyric Wilberg: looking forward to a good discussion Eric

[11:18] IntLibber Brautigan: 53 on CMP1 now

[11:20] Farqot Gustafson: Even Metanomics has issues

[11:20] Gordon Wendt: Is the meeting about reporting in virtual worlds?

[11:20] Troy McLuhan: "Real-World Press in Virtual Worlds"

[11:20] Malburns Writer: great conference beyers

[11:20] Gordon Wendt: I didn't go and have lost a lot of respect for Metanomics since they consider Prok a reporter other than that I'm sure it was great

[11:21] Temporal Mitra: well said, gordon....my first question will address exactly that point

[11:21] IntLibber Brautigan: Yes Pok is hardly real world press

[11:21] Troy McLuhan: I've learned a lot more about what's going on from Prok than any of the others on the stage

[11:21] Troy McLuhan: (in SL that is)

[11:21] Curric Vita: Come on Gordon,

[11:21] Media Hax: Prok is a horses arse

[11:21] Temporal Mitra: prok is hardly press at all....in the real world or second life

[11:22] IntLibber Brautigan: Take whatever prok is saying and believe the opposit

[11:22] Prokofy Neva: my blog is in the real world Internet

[11:22] Yxes Delacroix: this is not a show about Prokofy, but about Press in SL and RL

[11:22] Harper Beresford: IntLibber, whether we like it or not, Prokofy has become a spokesperson for SL to the press

[11:22] Patroklus Murakami: i've learned more from prok than any of the SL press. broke more stories than reuters :)

[11:22] IntLibber Brautigan: Broke more slander than reuters

[11:22] Malburns Writer: let prok talk and then decide folks

[11:22] Patroklus Murakami: but ppl tend to get obsessed/obsessive with him

[11:23] Yxes Delacroix: please ... this is not a backchat on slamming any of the panel

[11:23] Jadge Jacobus: lol

[11:23] Temporal Mitra: prok...problem is...a journalist gives the facts...not their opinion or editorial....when you start reporting facts instead of vomiting your opinion on everything under the virtual sun...I will consider you to be press

[11:23] Gordon Wendt: Yes, please just drop it I just wanted to say my one piece I didnt' expect a huge argument over it

[11:23] IntLibber Brautigan: Thats funny, Prok did the same here when i was a guest on the show.

[11:23] Fleep Tuque: Please have enough respect for the other guests and the audience to keep this from turning into a personal vendetta conversation. No one is interested in that.

[11:23] Gordon Wendt: if you want to argue with me over it feel free to send me an IM although rants will get you a nice trip to my ignore list

[11:23] IntLibber Brautigan: only what she said was entirely fabricated

[11:24] Yxes Delacroix: well said Fleep.

[11:24] Patroklus Murakami: quite right fleep

[11:24] Yxes Delacroix: pls keep this back chatter to the TOPIC of the show.

[11:25] Yxes Delacroix: thank you all.

[11:25] Curric Vita: Let's not resort to personal attacks.

[11:25] Almo Schumann: That would be a first.

[11:25] Fleep Tuque: I missed it, where is John from? Organization/paper?

[11:25] Jenn Hienrichs: cnn

[11:25] Fleep Tuque: Afraid to try to profile him

[11:25] Beyers Sellers: CMP

[11:25] Troy McLuhan: CMP (The Dr. Dobb's and InformationWeek people)

[11:25] Jenn Hienrichs: ohhh

[11:25] Fleep Tuque: Ah great thanks

[11:26] Jenn Hienrichs: hi fleep

[11:26] Fleep Tuque: Hi Jenn! :)

[11:26] Dizzy Banjo: Temporal i think your mic is open

[11:26] Fleep Tuque: 750k ppl? *faints* Can you imagine organizing that?

[11:27] Fleep Tuque: nod, yes we noticed that with SLBPE as well, that ppl will stick around for good content

[11:28] FelixAlbatross Nostram: Half the fun of going to a conference is going to a new city.... Not sitting in front of your computer.

[11:28] Intellagirl Tully: i wonder what % of attendees were new SL users

[11:28] Troy McLuhan: /0 Half the unfun is the cost

[11:28] arabella Ella: this does not cost so much Felix

[11:29] FelixAlbatross Nostram: True

[11:29] Alanagh Recreant wonders the same thing... and suspect they won't be in this group yet...

[11:29] FelixAlbatross Nostram: lol

[11:29] FelixAlbatross Nostram: He's talking about RL conference, I think.

[11:29] Fleep Tuque: Not sure for Dr Dobbs, about 60% of SLBPE traffic were avs less than 2 weeks old

[11:29] CDB Barkley: There are green costs of all those servers ;-)

[11:29] Intellagirl Tully: @felix: i was referring to the SL conference he mentioend and time spent there :)

[11:29] Jeffronius Batra: @Fleep - This is an interesting metric. It shows that good events can bring new people in to SL.

[11:30] Alanagh Recreant: / ohh, I thought you were talking bout newbies HERE today Intellagirl... sorry!

[11:30] Patroklus Murakami: easier to offset the CO2 of the servers than all those aircraft though :)

[11:30] arabella Ella: less jet lag too ;)

[11:30] IntLibber Brautigan: one avatars footprint is less than 1% of the fuel spent flying across the countr

[11:31] arabella Ella: for those of us from europe

[11:31] Jeffronius Batra: But more sim lag ;-)

[11:31] John Zhaoying: In the end, we could run the servers off wind or sunlight. Never the planes.

[11:31] IntLibber Brautigan: But even 1% doesn't make the luddites happy

[11:31] Intellagirl Tully: ROI is low because it's misunderstood and most corps don't understand how to make best use ofthe space

[11:31] Patroklus Murakami: luddites? in SL? surely not :p

[11:31] IntLibber Brautigan: theres a LOT of luddites in SL

[11:32] IntLibber Brautigan: anybody opposed to bots is, essentially, a luddite

[11:32] Dizzy Banjo hates this *bold* im bug.. :(

[11:32] John Zhaoying: We'll run the clients on body-heat.

[11:32] Jeffronius Batra: You can get Luddites to respect SL by portraying it as a cost saver instead of as a futuristic thing.

[11:32] Bevan Whitfield: ;-)

[11:32] CeAire Decosta: Or getting through the airport terminals and security!

[11:33] John Zhaoying: <-- sells SL as 'a free multimedia conference platform'

[11:33] Alanagh Recreant opens a dictionary... damn second languages

[11:33] arabella Ella: voice??

[11:33] Troy McLuhan imagines building a punch-card driven loom in SL. hmmmm....

[11:33] Jeffronius Batra: Not to imply that I work with Luddites or anyting.

[11:33] Alanagh Recreant: / umm... pls define luddites

[11:33] Fleep Tuque: Nod Jeff, definitely possible to bring new folks in, I always wonder how many stay.

[11:33] Intellagirl Tully: Is this Eric's full time assignment?

[11:33] Harper Beresford: we could run those servers off the hot air from the current politicians

[11:33] Beyers Sellers: yes, voice arabella

[11:33] arabella Ella: voice probs anyone?

[11:33] Farqot Gustafson: Yes, Intellagirl

[11:34] Bevan Whitfield: better now

[11:34] Troy McLuhan: Wikipedia: "The Luddites were a social movement of British textile artisans in the early nineteenth century who protested — often by destroying mechanized looms — against the changes produced by the Industrial Revolution, which they felt threatened their livelihood."

[11:34] Fleep Tuque: Wow talk about lag in the group chat!

[11:34] Fleep Tuque: Using the term "luddite" awfully broadly if you're calling SL residents luddites. :P

[11:34] Alanagh Recreant: / thanks Troy!

[11:34] FelixAlbatross Nostram: There is NEVER anyone on Reuter's Island. Always vacant.

[11:35] John Zhaoying: If voice isn't good for you, a realtime stream (audio) on Flash player can be found at http://www.life20.net/realtime.php

[11:35] Bevan Whitfield: And Reuters is one of the nicest places to go to ;-/

[11:35] arabella Ella: i've got voice on both and probs on both it was ok earlier

[11:35] Troy McLuhan: /0 Reuters News devces (RSS feed) can be found all over the grid though

[11:35] Intellagirl Tully: @felix: interesting point. i wonder if having people there is the point of their presence tho

[11:35] Global Merlin: Hey Malburns, it's 9.30pm where I am. First time I've been able to pop in to one of your meetings, so may not be able to stay for long

[11:35] Marilena Basevi: no voice on this one -- rhonda

[11:35] Sonja Strom: I hear her

[11:35] FelixAlbatross Nostram: I bet they would like it.

[11:35] Fleep Tuque: Last time I was at reuters the room was packed for the Philip Rosedale interview.

[11:36] Alanagh Recreant: excellent voice on Rhonda

[11:36] Bevan Whitfield: very faint, but I hear her.

[11:36] FelixAlbatross Nostram: More people hanging out there.

[11:36] Temporal Mitra: since there seems to be a sharp division here in what constitutes "press" both in real life and in sl...my first question for the panel....where do we, or should we differentiate those that are in the actual press...ie...those that report events, trends, and actual news....from those that blog op-ed, often inflammatory rhetoric ....many feel that standing on a soap box is not the same as reporting the news....should the same weight be given to both? Are not real members of the press under a mandate to give the news in an unbiased, opinion neutral format?

[11:36] Bevan Whitfield: oh right Fleep - true

[11:36] Alanagh Recreant: try turning the bubble up on individual speakers....works for me

[11:36] Beyers Sellers: good Q, Temp

[11:36] arabella Ella: ok ty

[11:36] Intellagirl Tully: Interesting to hear Rhonda's point about SL as kind of a learning space for Turner

[11:37] FelixAlbatross Nostram: Unless you're listening to a feed, of course.

[11:37] Malburns Writer: 7.30pm here - glad you could make it Global

[11:37] Media Hax: Excellent points Mitra

[11:37] Fleep Tuque: I'd say what is "the press" is changing, in Atlanta they talked about the "5th estate" as opposed to the 4th estate

[11:37] Dizzy Banjo: the iReport system addresses some of that in some ways

[11:37] Dizzy Banjo: it kind of links the two

[11:38] Fleep Tuque: Bloggers get press passes at the World Economic Forum

[11:38] Bevan Whitfield: oh wow Fleep

[11:38] Intellagirl Tully: I don't really see the point i differentiating between press and on press....anyone sharing info with the masses should have the same ethic

[11:38] FelixAlbatross Nostram: White House press conferences, too.

[11:38] Patroklus Murakami: my question: "do the panel have any metrics on where SL residents are getting their SL news from? are inworld bloggers and 'native' publications doing better than the RL media who have joined us more recently?@

[11:39] Fleep Tuque: Good question Patroklus

[11:39] Dizzy Banjo: personally i think press / blogger divide is just about quality.. which emerges over time.. often bloggers provide far more good information than many of the poorer "official" outlets.. without naming names ;)

[11:40] Curric Vita: yes great question Patroklus

[11:40] Temporal Mitra: Intellagirl....it has to do with the validity of the info....would you consider someone blogging on their own medical issues....the same as a physician giving a you info on a disease?

[11:41] Fleep Tuque: Both points of view are valid though

[11:41] Intellagirl Tully: @termporal: not at all. but i also don't believe that every medical reporter is as trustworthy as my doc

[11:41] FelixAlbatross Nostram: We could divide SL into Nationstates.... We could have espsienage, red press, etc.

[11:42] Temporal Mitra: Intellagirl...but they are both going to be more reliable than a mechanic in boise telling you about his sore foot...

[11:42] Global Merlin: This is similar to the debate on blogging versus journalism here in oOuth Africa. The biggest attack yet on the blogosphere was from a colu,mnist who only does opnion type columns and reviews, so you could argue that he's not a traditional journalist. But we are operating oin a rapdily evolving environment in terms of the technolkogy of journalism, so it would be unrealistic to hold on too hard to "traditional" notions of journalism. Some bloggers don;t begin to pretend to be journalists, while others clearly are serious journaolists. The same would apply in SL writings.

[11:42] LifeFactory Writer: Could PRok, please be asked, to cool down the levels on her voice?

[11:42] Harper Beresford: she tried, Life

[11:43] Temporal Mitra: and like that mechanic, you dont really have any more info about his qualifications than you do a blogger

[11:43] LifeFactory Writer: So sorry, but I think there is nothing I can do about it on my end but mute you.

[11:43] Alanagh Recreant: it may just be a case of moving the mic a bit...eye-level

[11:43] Alanagh Recreant: not adjusting necessarily

[11:44] Alanagh Recreant: ;) learned that once when i was hot (voice wise)

[11:44] FelixAlbatross Nostram: One of the great things about the internet (not inworld) is that the established outlets do NOT have monopoly.

[11:46] Intellagirl Tully: It's great to see media coverage from someone IN sl instead of the fly by night press

[11:46] Malburns Writer: AQgreed Intellagirl

[11:46] Harper Beresford: I agree with Intellagirl.

[11:46] Alanagh Recreant: ...personally, I think iReport is ingenious!

[11:46] Farqot Gustafson: Agreed, Intellagirl

[11:46] Patroklus Murakami: more in defence of prok than attacking reuters but... i apologise for the snarkiness :)

[11:47] Global Merlin: But then we still have events like the Mobile World Congress (last week in Barcelona) where bloggers were specifically denied press accreditation. Does the panel believe such policies are short-sighted?

[11:47] Alanagh Recreant: / giving newswriting to the people that are IN the space

[11:47] Alanagh Recreant: WHY am I typing with that / thingy!

[11:47] Bevan Whitfield was wondering about that Alanagh...

[11:47] Malburns Writer: you have to live it to learn it!

[11:48] Alanagh Recreant: lol

[11:48] Curric Vita: it's certainly more risk averse! : )

[11:48] Intellagirl Tully: What is the benefit of the tabloid? I'm not sure i understand that point

[11:48] LifeFactory Writer: Ok, at least I know now that I am not the only target of snark! :D Naive Life.... :)

[11:49] Phelan Corrimal: journalistic freedom

[11:49] Phelan Corrimal: tabloids don't necessary have to respond to a group of shareholders who are worried about cheesing of the establishment

[11:49] Fleep Tuque: Good point Joh, I think the botom line is diversit of voice and points of view is good.

[11:50] Malburns Writer: It IS hard to read 'em all!

[11:50] Bevan Whitfield: Oh Malburns, takes hours :-)

[11:51] Phelan Corrimal: providing share of voice to those that don't necessarily have the opportunity to be heard

[11:52] Phelan Corrimal: Sponsors also want to control agendas

[11:52] LifeFactory Writer: :D echoes about the room--on several levels. :D

[11:52] John Zhaoying: No -- actually sponsors want to sponsor stuff that covers their agenda. Subtle but important difference.

[11:52] IntLibber Brautigan: sponsors generally don't want reporters to invent lies about them

[11:52] Global Merlin: These are the birth of rock 'n roll days in Web 2.0, SL and even blogs. No oone knows yet what will stick, and today's upstart will be tomorrow's star, today's revolutionary will be tomorrow's establishment.

[11:52] Bevan Whitfield: (waves at LifeFactory)

[11:53] LifeFactory Writer: :D Hi, Bevan!

[11:53] Global Merlin: (at the risk of being hackneyed)

[11:53] Harper Beresford: right, John.. so they want their press releases covered

[11:53] Malburns Writer: Agreed Global - we are immersed in new future of communications media itself

[11:53] Alanagh Recreant: we get our news in Twitter

[11:53] Alanagh Recreant: hehe

[11:54] Phelan Corrimal: LOL

[11:54] Bevan Whitfield: LOL

[11:54] Alanagh Recreant: and from Malburns

[11:54] Malburns Writer: Me! He he

[11:54] Jujudoll Dancer: LOL Follow Alanah @ Twitter?

[11:54] Bevan Whitfield: ohh remind me to "follow" him ;-)

[11:54] Alanagh Recreant: all those URLs!

[11:54] IntLibber Brautigan: Beyers please ask prok what she feels her responsibility as a reporter is to actually find the truth and not libel those she writes about, and what liability she should be held to for libelling other avatars and their busiensses???

[11:54] Intellagirl Tully: I get my news from MalBurns :-)

[11:54] Harper Beresford: well, that is the problem about "news" in SL.. there are a lot more things going on with non-English speaking users that i snot getting covered

[11:54] Tara Yeats: Malburns = the SL version of the Drudge report

[11:54] Jujudoll Dancer: ok so I can't type.. sorry

[11:54] Bevan Whitfield: Shall I get on the French?

[11:55] Farqot Gustafson: Please do, Bevan

[11:55] Dizzy Banjo: often leaked way before though.. and the way they leak can be a story

[11:55] Alanagh Recreant: we gather in Twitter

[11:55] Alanagh Recreant: LOL

[11:55] Alanagh Recreant: around Malburns

[11:55] Phelan Corrimal: You know the grape vine is quite often not that far off from the truth in SL - the benefits of still being small

[11:55] Alanagh Recreant: sorry :) hehe

[11:55] Fleep Tuque: Agree, I get majority of my news from twitter

[11:55] Malburns Writer: When i see "resolved" on linden blog i assume story is just starting!

[11:56] Dizzy Banjo: lol mal

[11:56] Bevan Whitfield: I get my news from my friends.

[11:56] Fleep Tuque: cause I'm perpatually behind on my blog feeds. :)

[11:56] Alanagh Recreant agrees with Bevan

[11:56] Prokofy Neva: Mal lol

[11:56] Troy McLuhan would be interested to hear more about what the large Brazilian and Japanese resident populations are doing - but there is a language barrier I think

[11:56] Phelan Corrimal: resolved = user gave up asking because they finally found a workaround

[11:56] Bevan Whitfield: ohhh

[11:56] Dizzy Banjo: haha phelan

[11:56] Bevan Whitfield: Huge stuff going on int he Brazilian population!

[11:56] Alanagh Recreant wonders why she left iReport group :/ hmmm

[11:56] Harper Beresford: the italians as well, Troy

[11:57] Alanagh Recreant: 25 groups... damn!

[11:57] Bevan Whitfield: Germans

[11:57] Phelan Corrimal: that limit needs to be raised

[11:57] Bevan Whitfield: YES!

[11:57] Harper Beresford: and there are chinese entering the world

[11:57] Jennette Forager grins.

[11:57] Bevan Whitfield: I need 70.

[11:57] Phelan Corrimal: 70 is a good start

[11:57] Farqot Gustafson: At least Bevan, LOL!

[11:57] Troy McLuhan: /0 I have an alt who exists to join groups that get Group Notices mainly

[11:57] Temporal Mitra: perhaps we should differentiate between NEWS and PRESS...Press would include hard news, op-ed, rumor....NEWS should be the reporting of hard facts, Who, what, where, when, how....without bias....so while News is part of the press....all of the press does not report news....

[11:57] Harper Beresford: but almost all that is covered is north american or western european

[11:57] Jennette Forager: Subscribe-o-matic.

[11:57] Phelan Corrimal: a lot of news comes through these group / communities

[11:58] Bevan Whitfield: Jennette, I have seen that, pretty cool. Need more info.

[11:58] Harper Beresford: Bevan, I can tell you abuot it.. we use it

[11:58] Jennette Forager: Find them in Search---

[11:58] Bjerkel Eerie: What are the implications of Chinese entering the world Harper??

[11:58] Alanagh Recreant: Temporal, I think the lines are being defused... which is a trend in an emerging relationship economy...

[11:58] Harper Beresford: Bjerkel, that is a good question.. I am amazed when I meet Chinese here...

[11:58] Global Merlin: In South Africa there is a fierce debate around the need for blogs in different African languages (to attract a new demogrpahic grouping as well as new audiences to the Internet), but most blogs from the rest of Africa even are in English or French. Everyone wants a global audience.

[11:58] Bevan Whitfield: Yes, someone write about the Chinese and VWs please.

[11:58] Alanagh Recreant: and that makes it tough to distinguish between real news and opionated press...or vice versa

[11:59] Intellagirl Tully: Question: What do the panelists see as journalism's overall role in SL? Is it to cover the activities of individuals? groups? trends?...How do they ensure that their stories are of interest to the most people?

[11:59] Phelan Corrimal: how is that different from normal?

[11:59] Harper Beresford: I am surprised the Chinese can find a way in.. but they do

[11:59] Alanagh Recreant cheers Global!

[11:59] Temporal Mitra: Alanagh...my point is that the lines should NOT be blurred...so that people know if what they are getting is fact or opinion

[11:59] Fleep Tuque: Alanagh, just like we teach students to be skeptical of ALL sources on the net, same is true for all sources of pess, as far as I'm concerned.

[11:59] Malburns Writer: I t5hink translation software, particularly voice, will change things a lot

[11:59] Bjerkel Eerie: The great Firewall leaks

[11:59] Phelan Corrimal: all fact is opinion

[11:59] Malburns Writer: maybe language will be less important

[11:59] IYan Writer: blog = opinion, almost by definition

[11:59] Intellagirl Tully: agreed fleep

[11:59] Prokofy Neva: please stop giving me voice tech directions, they were alrady all done, stop it, it's lagging me out

[12:00] Harper Beresford: I am sure the whole question of "truth" comes up in all matters of journalism. Unfortunately, this "world" makes "truth": even more slippery, Temporaal

[12:00] Phelan Corrimal: it is typically valid from a specific point of view unless it can be independently verified

[12:00] Alanagh Recreant: Temporal, I agree with you in theory...but in practice, the lines are blurred anyway, so we need skills at a personal level - so that people could be able to distinct for themselves what is propaganda, corporate brand-making...etc

[12:01] Alanagh Recreant: and what is actually (closer!) to objective

[12:01] Bevan Whitfield: Yes, and journalists should be able to hold two opposing thoughts at the same time.

[12:01] Phelan Corrimal: more than two

[12:01] Alanagh Recreant: Bevan, I agree

[12:01] Bjerkel Eerie: The truth value of any propositon is entirely contextual

[12:01] Alanagh Recreant: Phelan, I agree

[12:01] Bevan Whitfield: I agree Phelan.

[12:01] arabella Ella: QUESTION: Could RL media presence on SL enable better democratic representation of opinions un SL press? Residents appear to be very willing to express their views and they come from all over the world

[12:02] Jennette Forager: it is called EDITING

[12:02] IntLibber Brautigan: Bevan, there is a distinction between facts and opinion

[12:02] Pollywog Gardenvale: I have a question for Rhonda about the iReport agreement that gives CNN the IP rights to any content submitted.

[12:02] Farqot Gustafson: As journalists, we report the story as objectively as we can, and keep out OUR own opinions as best we can.

[12:02] Bevan Whitfield: But such a delicate wire to walk.

[12:02] Phelan Corrimal: I see journalism as being able to synthesize the diversity of viewpoints and to provide an analysis that is relevant and timely for thier audience

[12:02] IntLibber Brautigan: while opinions can be multiple, facts are singular

[12:02] Intellagirl Tully: Well said Rhonda

[12:02] Global Merlin: Good point Bevan - that's one of the main doifferences between journalist bloggers and blogger bloggers

[12:02] Bevan Whitfield: Thank you Farqot.

[12:02] Farqot Gustafson: It's never perfect, but you keep striving towards that.

[12:02] Global Merlin: the journalists are usually trained to walk that wire

[12:02] Harper Beresford: Prokofy has a point about pamphleteers..

[12:02] Bevan Whitfield: The opinion should come from the reader.

[12:03] Alanagh Recreant: IntLibber, some people would argue that 'fact' is a version of an opinion - one perspective... what is fact?

[12:03] Harper Beresford: we can decide not to read his blog if we want

[12:03] Phelan Corrimal: foolscap?

[12:03] IntLibber Brautigan: Alanagh some people are fools too

[12:03] Tara Yeats: foolscap = type of paper

[12:03] Malburns Writer: Yes - it is a return to grass roots of communication - even "gosspi" culture

[12:03] Alanagh Recreant: Intlibber: AGREED

[12:03] Harper Beresford: what gets a little more difficult is having a self-chosen representative of SL talking to the rest fo the press

[12:03] Farqot Gustafson: paper*

[12:03] Farqot Gustafson: Cheap writing pater, Phenal

[12:03] Jennette Forager: think Thomas Paine or Ben Franklin

[12:03] Bevan Whitfield: Yes, unfortunately Int ;-/

[12:03] Phelan Corrimal: yes --- just sounded funny :-)

[12:03] Intellagirl Tully: I think the blogging discussion is confusing the medium in which the writing is published and the purpose of the activity

[12:04] Phelan Corrimal: foolscap used by fools for fools :-)

[12:04] Bevan Whitfield: But who cares what fools think?

[12:04] Farqot Gustafson: Old expression, Phelan

[12:04] Intellagirl Tully: some blogs are as well researched and supported as national newspapers

[12:04] Farqot Gustafson: A lot of people do in SL, Bevan

[12:04] IntLibber Brautigan: I'm still waiting to hear someone ask prok what her standard of libel is

[12:04] Alanagh Recreant: / a fool for one is a genius for another ;)

[12:04] Malburns Writer: ho - prediction time!

[12:04] Bevan Whitfield: Oh absolutely Intellagirl.

[12:04] Bjerkel Eerie: facts are propositons to which context assigns a postive truth vanue, wheras a prospositon may have ither a negative or postitive truth value

[12:04] Bevan Whitfield: Ok, you know what I meant by fool, goodness.

[12:05] Farqot Gustafson: LOL

[12:05] Jennette Forager: hehehe

[12:05] Alanagh Recreant: thanks Bjerkel!

[12:05] Phelan Corrimal: yes yes :-)

[12:05] Alanagh Recreant: / Bevan - I know a fool when I see one...hehe

[12:05] Bevan Whitfield winks and agrees.

[12:05] Harper Beresford: stop looking at me, Alanagh

[12:05] Alanagh Recreant: WHY am I stuck with these damn / !!

[12:05] Alanagh Recreant: there is sumthing wrong with me

[12:05] Phelan Corrimal: competition to Second Life would be a bad thing depending on how it is done

[12:05] Alanagh Recreant: I swear

[12:06] Bevan Whitfield: there you go!

[12:06] Alanagh Recreant glares at Harper

[12:06] Alanagh Recreant: lol

[12:06] Bevan Whitfield: ohh Phelan, that is a whole other can of worms.

[12:06] Global Merlin: I can see SL's intellectual future is in good hands. I bid thee all a good night (bedtime calls, an early rising tomorrow beckons) , until next time! :-)

[12:07] Phelan Corrimal: yes for sure

[12:07] Bevan Whitfield: bye Global!

[12:07] Malburns Writer: nite Global - good to see you

[12:07] LifeFactory Writer: Goodnight, Global.

[12:07] Tara Yeats: cya Global

[12:07] Alanagh Recreant waves to Global

[12:07] Phelan Corrimal: I'm thinking of the Unix experience in terms of competition for flavours of Unix

[12:07] Global Merlin: Thanks, all

[12:07] Harper Beresford: good poiint, Eric

[12:08] Phelan Corrimal: yes

[12:09] Harper Beresford: Eric is right. we may not be here in a few years.. someone might sweep in and take over this virtuality

[12:09] Temporal Mitra: not all the functionality of sl...about 50% right now

[12:09] Bevan Whitfield: yes, the expansion will be exponential and is happening NOW!

[12:09] Jeffronius Batra: For example, http://www.centralgrid.com/

[12:09] Malburns Writer: yep - innovation is happening outside LL using their base technology

[12:09] Bjerkel Eerie: open sim is only open to windows isnt it?

[12:09] Phelan Corrimal: no --- opensim is the server code --- not the client

[12:09] Jeffronius Batra: And also http://www.openlifegrid.com/

[12:09] Farqot Gustafson: Which means LL needs to be on their own bleeding edge, which will mean more bugs...

[12:09] Bevan Whitfield: but which ones will be a social community? which ones will be industry specific?

[12:09] LifeFactory Writer: How does LL benefit from opening up the server code? Where does their revenue model lie in that?

[12:10] Bjerkel Eerie: so it will run on any server?

[12:10] Phelan Corrimal: If you look under bugs in the dictionary you will find the Second Life Logo I'm sure of it

[12:10] IYan Writer: lf: charge for connection to the main grid

[12:10] arabella Ella: servers will be linked to LL servers grid

[12:10] LifeFactory Writer: If that is too large an answer, a link to someone who has written about it would be nice :) THank you!

[12:10] Jeffronius Batra: @LifeFactory - this would be an entire meeting of its own, but they will supply services to these other grids, among other things.

[12:10] Bevan Whitfield: Good question Life, still trying to wrap my brain around that puppy.

[12:10] Dizzy Banjo: the thing thats interesting about SL.. is what the code enables.. not the code.. :)

[12:10] Temporal Mitra: what I see happening is LL open standardizing the server/region software...keeping the transactional and asset servers in house...and allowing attachments of user owned servers to the grid

[12:10] Harper Beresford: what Dizzy said.. I say it

[12:11] LifeFactory Writer: I see. Ok, thank you! I would like to hear (or read) that discussion.

[12:11] arabella Ella: i agree temporal

[12:11] Phelan Corrimal: what will make or break is the interoperability of these platforms to work together

[12:11] Jeffronius Batra: @LifeFactory - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Architecture_Working_Group

[12:11] Bevan Whitfield: ohh interesting

[12:11] Alanagh Recreant: ... the beauty of SL should not get lost on all of us :) especially the integration of creative commons principles

[12:11] LifeFactory Writer: Jeffronius.... :)

[12:11] Bevan Whitfield: yes the WG

[12:11] Farqot Gustafson: Exactly, Alanagh

[12:11] Bevan Whitfield: ohh bravo Alanagh!

[12:12] Bevan Whitfield: And the beauty of SL is *never* lost on me !

[12:12] Harper Beresford: well, every new technology and new virtual world has been rampant with bugs and problems.. we are pushing its growth faster than it can handle.. it's amazing we can all be sitting here now

[12:12] Alanagh Recreant: it is build INTO the 'DNA' that he speaks about... and I am sooo excited about its potential

[12:12] Phelan Corrimal: Coming back to the idea of media --- how do we see media influencing where the technology goes? Considering that the media quite often crosses the boundary between reporting news and making news

[12:12] Inata Rall: mainly creating news

[12:12] Inata Rall: pisses me off

[12:13] arabella Ella: great Alanagh i too am excited about the potential of SL

[12:13] Dizzy Banjo: yeh and also providing the "use cases" that people want to see

[12:13] Farqot Gustafson: You got it, Harper; so do we only gripe about the problems, or *TRY* to focus more on the wonders and potentials?

[12:13] Phelan Corrimal: only if you work for CNN ;-)

[12:13] Bevan Whitfield: Yes, and a few snafus here and there are a simple inconvenience for the moment.

[12:13] Prokofy Neva: You should apply that thought to the tech press that is absolutely supine, not to SL bloggers

[12:13] Inata Rall: and bbc

[12:13] Alanagh Recreant: .... the bigger story may just be mobile :))

[12:13] Alanagh Recreant: and Africa

[12:13] Alanagh Recreant crosses her fingers

[12:13] Bevan Whitfield nods at Farqot

[12:13] Inata Rall: sensationaism...everything is 'unprecidented"

[12:13] Prokofy Neva: Alanagh, it's only a story if people have something to say with the tech, tech by itself isn't a story

[12:13] arabella Ella: agree again Alanagh!

[12:14] Alanagh Recreant: Prokofy, I agree

[12:14] Farqot Gustafson: "We are the world?" Alanagh?

[12:14] Phelan Corrimal: Scale is not as important as functionality and how communities organize around the technology

[12:14] arabella Ella: perhaps mobile phones taking on integration of technology

[12:14] Harper Beresford: rhonda always gets the last word

[12:14] Harper Beresford: lol

[12:14] arabella Ella: global village in SL

[12:14] Alanagh Recreant: yes, we are!

[12:14] Prokofy Neva: double the number of Turkmens have cell phones now; do you care? do they have anything to say?

[12:14] Bevan Whitfield holds hands with everyone.

[12:14] Phelan Corrimal: you scale this up and all the minor annoyances will drive people away because the platform is not ready for that type of scale

[12:14] Phelan Corrimal: LOL

[12:14] Farqot Gustafson: DO any of us?

[12:15] Temporal Mitra: they must have something to say...or they wouldnt have all those cell phones...

[12:15] Alanagh Recreant: Prokofy, most people have something to say...the question is whether there is an audience

[12:15] Bevan Whitfield: lol Temp

[12:15] Prokofy Neva: it's their story they cover, but not of news to the international community, that's the pont

[12:15] Prokofy Neva: and your comments about libel are out of line, you don't grasp the mechanics of the free press, nor the law on libel, you are just spouting

[12:15] Bevan Whitfield: If someone has something to say, and no one is listening, does it count?

[12:15] Malburns Writer: lol,Rhonda

[12:16] Alanagh Recreant: copyright.... open source.... creative commons!

[12:16] Inata Rall: yes

[12:16] Harper Beresford applauds.. thanks to all the panelists

[12:16] Temporal Mitra: who said anything about libel?

[12:16] Phelan Corrimal: only if google indexes it

[12:16] Alanagh Recreant: Prokofy, whose comments about libel?

[12:16] arabella Ella: with additional private servers added to the grid without downtime and lag problems its potential could be tremendous world wide

[12:16] Prokofy Neva: your earlier comments

[12:16] Alanagh Recreant: mine?

[12:16] LifeFactory Writer: IntLib...asked earlier.

[12:16] Prokofy Neva: Temporal Mitra: prok...problem is...a journalist gives the facts...not their opinion or editorial....when you start reporting facts instead of vomiting your opinion on everything under the virtual sun...I will consider you to be press

[12:16] Alanagh Recreant tilts her head

[12:16] Phelan Corrimal: it was a very early comment in the chat

[12:17] Prokofy Neva: it's just ignorance not to realize that the press includes news and commentary, and that news can also be gleaned from commentary

[12:17] Temporal Mitra: thinks you should check the source, prok...the word libel is not in that statement

[12:17] IntLibber Brautigan: Prok, I do know that lying out of spite IS Libel

[12:17] Harper Beresford: so "cute"?

[12:17] Alanagh Recreant pleads innocence... can't take credit for someone else's comments

[12:17] Prokofy Neva: you view something offensive in "spewing an opinion"

[12:17] arabella Ella: would IP problems encounter the same problems as the banks where legal issues are concerned due to the fact that it is difficult to legislate on an international scale

[12:17] Phelan Corrimal: there was another comment made after that

[12:17] Prokofy Neva: Then see you in court Intlibber *shrugs* I don't libel people; I criticize them *legitimately*

[12:17] Temporal Mitra: when it is dressed up as hard news, then yes, I do

[12:17] IntLibber Brautigan: You fake up stores out of malice

[12:18] Caliandris Pendragon: great episode of Metanomics... but I thought there'd be a *little* discussion about the FIC having control of the media in SL... the Lindens in their pocket... etc

[12:18] IntLibber Brautigan: that is libel

[12:18] Prokofy Neva: find an actual example of what you are claiming and subject it to public scrutiny

[12:18] Prokofy Neva: rather than spouting nonsense

[12:18] IntLibber Brautigan: and if you had anything worth suing for you'd be in process already

[12:18] Farley Scarborough applauds

[12:18] LifeFactory Writer: Best wishes, All. Enjoy the day!

[12:18] Malburns Writer: great session as always

[12:18] Tara Yeats: good stuff!

[12:18] arabella Ella: thank you so much for this opportunity!

[12:18] Tommy Brouwer: thank you! Great session

[12:18] Bevan Whitfield: bravo!

[12:19] Bevan Whitfield: hey great crowd as well!

[12:19] IntLibber Brautigan: Accusing me of running the PN is libel

[12:19] arabella Ella applauds

[12:19] sweety Yalin: thanks for this great session

[12:19] Prokofy Neva: bring it Intlibbe

[12:19] Yxes Delacroix: good show, good chatting, good discussions, mostly.

[12:19] Prokofy Neva: I guess your own Herald comments saying you hired them doesn't count then Intliber

[12:19] Bevan Whitfield: Thanks to the panel and to Beyers and to SLCN.tv!

[12:19] Prokofy Neva: all hat, no cattle

[12:19] Yxes Delacroix: Prok,. Intlibbe... take it private, please

[12:19] IntLibber Brautigan: I never said that

[12:19] IntLibber Brautigan: your a goddam liar

[12:20] Prokofy Neva: get a blog Intlibber

[12:21] Alanagh Recreant: thank you Beyers

[12:21] Alanagh Recreant: this was a great event... I learned a lot...like always

[12:21] Bjerkel Eerie: adding profanity really heps make your point well Interlibber, its the root of propositons that ential a positive truth value

[12:21] Alanagh Recreant cheers SLCN

[12:22] Alanagh Recreant notes how the conversation came to a standstill...

[12:22] Alanagh Recreant: ..everyone left??

[12:22] Alanagh Recreant: lol

[12:22] Bevan Whitfield: lol

[12:22] Media Hax: it always ends this way when Prok is involved Alanagh...

[12:22] IntLibber Brautigan: Bjerkel, the profanty fits because Prok is profane

[12:23] Alanagh Recreant: Bevan! we are still here... hanging in here it seems

[12:23] Media Hax: Cant wait for her trademark FU

[12:23] Malburns Writer: yep quiet here retreating from crossfire

[12:24] Alanagh Recreant: but I am used to danger here in Africa

[12:24] Alanagh Recreant: almost got hit ...me that is

[12:24] Media Hax: lol

[12:24] Bevan Whitfield: so true, so true

[12:24] IntLibber Brautigan: One reason Prok is so wrong in almost everything she writes about is she refuses to ever go off the record on anything.

[12:24] Bjerkel Eerie: Prok is a challange to god's surpremicy? stick with truth value porpositnons and not metaphor!

[12:24] Alanagh Recreant thinks the talk today went beyond one person... imo

[12:24] IntLibber Brautigan: consequently nobody will tell her the truth

[12:24] Alanagh Recreant: and should not be reduced to one

[12:24] Bevan Whitfield: running late, have to hop - good bye and thank you all!

[12:24] Harper Beresford: bye Bevan

[12:25] Alanagh Recreant waves to Bevan!

[12:25] Alanagh Recreant: heyy Harper, you still around?

[12:25] Malburns Writer: Intlibber - you two should have public debate and agree to differ

[12:25] IntLibber Brautigan: so instead prokofy invents her version of the truth, which usually involves a leninist conspiracy of some sort

[12:25] Harper Beresford: yes, alanagh

[12:25] Prokofy Neva: In dealing with a character like Intlibber, you can never go off the record

[12:25] Bevan Whitfield: I'd twitter this but you all were here anyhow ;-)

[12:25] Prokofy Neva: however, with many sources I talk to the off the record

[12:26] Prokofy Neva: some stories I can just never publish at least not now, as I've gotten them off the record

[12:26] IntLibber Brautigan: thus demonstrating your bias

[12:26] Yxes Delacroix: bevan.. i'm on twitter!! lol

[12:26] Bevan Whitfield: ohh fun

[12:26] Alanagh Recreant: hehe

[12:26] Prokofy Neva: get a blog Intlibber and stop merely chafing others you dislike

[12:26] Dizzy Banjo: thanks everyone

[12:26] Bevan Whitfield: I just started last night!

[12:27] Alanagh Recreant waves to Dizzy

[12:27] Bevan Whitfield: @BevanWhitfield

[12:27] Bevan Whitfield: I'm such a noob.

[12:27] Jujudoll Dancer: follow jujudoll@twitter

[12:27] Media Hax: *pokes Banjo*

[12:27] Jujudoll Dancer: lol

[12:27] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[12:27] Beyers Sellers: thanks sdo much everyone!

[12:27] Malburns Writer: @malburns Bevan

[12:27] Alanagh Recreant: spam spam

[12:27] Yxes Delacroix: cool... I'll add you I'm yxes on twitter (and facebook)

[12:27] Dizzy Banjo: ok im off .. thanks everyone :) bye

[12:27] Harper Beresford: bevan's been twittering up a storm

[12:27] Bevan Whitfield: lol

[12:27] Jujudoll Dancer: lol it fun

[12:27] Alanagh Recreant smiles

[12:28] Alanagh Recreant thanks the speakers... and slips out!