Chat Transcript for 02/25/08

[10:53] IYan Writer: hi all :)

[10:54] Illijana Beerbaum: We have enough place in case Muse Island is packed. Join us at ComMeta.CC. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Pixel%20Expo%20I/255/52/51/

[10:56] Malburns Writer: Free space here too usually http://slurl.com/secondlife/BPF%20Bouwinvest%202/51/185/36

[10:57] Cindy Ecksol: plenty of room here at CDS http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/202/221/43

[10:57] Lovely Encore: Need a place to sit? Rockcliffe Unveristy is an event partner for today's Metanomics discussion! We have plenty of seats, pizza and liquid refreshment ....come hang out with the Rockcliffe community! Here is the slurl: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rockcliffe%20I/150/224/69

[10:59] Bevan Whitfield: hello?

[10:59] Malburns Writer: Hi Bevan

[10:59] Bjerkel Eerie: hello

[10:59] Sloan Skjellerup: Hello Bevan!

[10:59] Bevan Whitfield: hi Mal

[11:00] Bevan Whitfield: Bjerkel

[11:00] Bevan Whitfield: Any zombies there Sloan?

[11:00] Sloan Skjellerup: I was just thinking about it! ...lol

[11:01] Zee Linden: Hello

[11:01] Ninoramai Hax: I can hear you Zee

[11:01] Dancer Morris: hello, Zee

[11:01] Tao Takashi: Hi Zee and all

[11:01] Sloan Skjellerup: but naw, the guns are too loud, and it takes forever to kill 'em with melons

[11:01] Bevan Whitfield: hello Zee

[11:01] Dancer Morris: is there an active voice session here now as well?

[11:01] Grace McDunnough: Hello everyone

[11:01] Malburns Writer: Hi Zee

[11:01] Bevan Whitfield: hi Grace

[11:01] Rik Riel: is it time for this thing to start?

[11:01] Bjerkel Eerie: Hi Grace!!!

[11:02] Ninoramai Hax: Howdy Grace

[11:02] Codey Miles: Good morning. Or evening. Or something. :)

[11:02] Dex Trenchcoat: anyone have a landmark to this thing?

[11:02] Bevan Whitfield: hi Rik and Tao and Codey

[11:02] Dancer Morris: it was in the group notice if you're in Life 2.0...

[11:02] Caliandris Pendragon: can someone paste the url for CMP?

[11:02] Cindy Ecksol: you can join us here.... http://slurl.com/secondlife/Colonia%20Nova/243/106/43

[11:02] Caliandris Pendragon: I have someone here who needs to be at the event

[11:03] Katherine Watson: http://slurl.com/secondlife/CMP%201/251/113/24

[11:03] Cindy Ecksol: whoops, that was CN, not CMP

[11:03] Caliandris Pendragon: thanks, but I need CMP url

[11:03] Caliandris Pendragon: thanks

[11:03] Katherine Watson: yw :)

[11:03] Cindy Ecksol: aw, we have better snacks here Cal.....

[11:03] Beyers Sellers: a bit of a technical problem here.....we will probably start a bit late

[11:03] Beyers Sellers: stay tuned!

[11:04] Illijana Beerbaum: Illijana Beerbaum: We have enough place. And some great guests as well. :-) Join us at ComMeta.CC. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Pixel%20Expo%20I/255/52/51/

[11:04] Grace McDunnough: Uh oh ... was your suit not ready at the cleaners Beyers??

[11:04] Malburns Writer: Hi Grace

[11:04] Beyers Sellers: very funny grace

[11:04] Dizzy Banjo: howdy

[11:04] Zha Ewry: He tried to request it via Group IM

[11:04] Bevan Whitfield: hi dizzy ;-)

[11:05] Roaming Nightfire: i had to grab something off the free rack

[11:05] Sloan Skjellerup: Hi Ya Dizzy ;-) ... Poke

[11:05] Grace McDunnough: Oh no, not the free rack

[11:09] Malburns Writer: Hi Dizzy - gave up on There i take it?

[11:09] Dizzy Banjo: im still in there

[11:09] Bevan Whitfield: I think he's still there

[11:09] Bevan Whitfield: see

[11:09] Dizzy Banjo: attempting to get out of a wall

[11:09] Grace McDunnough: He gave up on here, you should see his "avi"

[11:09] Malburns Writer: lol

[11:09] Dizzy Banjo: i teleported to an event for noobs

[11:09] Dizzy Banjo: which was empty

[11:09] Caliandris Pendragon: this is sooo confuzzling for a bear of little brain. Are there going to be two interviews taking place in two places at once, here and There~?

[11:10] Dizzy Banjo: and it teleported me into a wall

[11:10] Bevan Whitfield: one here

[11:10] Grace McDunnough: One in THERE, streamed into HERE

[11:10] Bevan Whitfield: and one there

[11:10] Curric Vita: Cali, it's really one interview taking place there, streamed here

[11:10] Grace McDunnough: and vice versa

[11:10] Dex Trenchcoat: Empty was my expereince with tThere as well... nothing to see really...

[11:10] 57 Miles: has it started yet guys?

[11:10] Caliandris Pendragon: it's the "and vice versa" which is confusing

[11:10] Dancer Morris: it was all so ugly :(

[11:10] Bevan Whitfield: no

[11:10] Alliez Mysterio: I was beta there came here and never looked back

[11:10] Cindy Ecksol: wow, this is getting very metaphysical....

[11:11] Ninoramai Hax: There never became a here for me as well

[11:11] Bevan Whitfield: oh :-)))

[11:11] Codey Miles: There's no There here, at the moment... :)

[11:11] Dizzy Banjo: its pretty apalling

[11:11] Bevan Whitfield: I don't know anybody from there

[11:11] Lovely Encore: LL has decided to restart Rockcliffe's region. We will let you know when we are operational again.

[11:11] Alliez Mysterio: We should give them credit, they had big problems and seem to have rebounded

[11:12] Roaming Nightfire: Somebody has to say it, "neither here nor there"

[11:12] Grace McDunnough: ouch

[11:12] Alliez Mysterio: lol

[11:12] Bevan Whitfield: oooo

[11:12] Caliandris Pendragon winces

[11:12] Zha Ewry pretends she didn't hear that one

[11:12] Boba Bloch: "There's no place like home"

[11:13] Beyers Sellers: ok, starting soon

[11:13] Beyers Sellers: ready!

[11:13] Grace McDunnough: WOO!

[11:13] Ninoramai Hax groans at Boba...

[11:13] Caliandris Pendragon: Business Exchange has room to swing a few elephants in, all my regulars seem to have decamped to CMP lol

[11:13] Codey Miles: And, home's noplace like There... :)

[11:13] Cindy Ecksol: that's what you ALWAYS say, beyers

[11:13] Malburns Writer: great

[11:13] Bevan Whitfield: maybe I'll sim hop later...

[11:14] Dizzy Banjo is having the predicable arguement with a group of there.com residents who are insisting its "better than SL"

[11:14] JenzZa Misfit: Beyers where are you in There .com ... DIzzy wants to find you ! kabong !

[11:14] IYan Writer: where in There is it, does anyone know? can't find it on the event list

[11:14] Malburns Writer: lol Dizzy

[11:14] JenzZa Misfit: LOL DIZZY

[11:14] Bevan Whitfield: ohhh my Dizzy, who is winning?

[11:14] Cybergrrl Oh: Oh, should I be in There, too?

[11:14] Bevan Whitfield: woot starting!

[11:14] Alliez Mysterio: Send them to me anytime and Ill tell them

[11:15] Tao Takashi: the lipsync could be better there ;-)

[11:15] Annie Sani: is there a meeting going on now ?

[11:15] Grace McDunnough: He forgot to say "fake talk show"

[11:15] Harper Beresford: could you dress more casually, Beyers?

[11:15] Bevan Whitfield: Wow, so can't see me there ;-)

[11:15] Bevan Whitfield: oh Grace, LOL

[11:15] Grace McDunnough: What is THAT? A dressing screen?

[11:16] Tommy Brouwer: nice eyebrows in there.com:)

[11:16] Dex Trenchcoat: wow I cant get over how cartoony There.com is

[11:16] Annie Sani: can i have a tp please

[11:16] Malburns Writer: yes - doesnt have SL realism by looks

[11:16] Dizzy Banjo: if anyone in There.com has a way of teleporting me .. i am Dizzy_Banjo in There.com

[11:16] Rik Riel: neat window in a window

[11:16] Bevan Whitfield: Bev is so not a "There.com" kind a girl, I can tell already ;-)

[11:16] Dizzy Banjo: i am logged in now

[11:17] Bevan Whitfield: wave at us Dizzy!

[11:17] Annie Sani: thank you Grace

[11:17] Grace McDunnough: I just tried to cam on the video .. (need more sleep)

[11:17] JenzZa Misfit: ........ dude is a cartoon !

[11:17] CeAire Decosta: Nice if you like the Sunday comics come to life!

[11:17] Bevan Whitfield: oh god Grace LOL

[11:17] iAlja Writer is also in There.com and no idea of where to go

[11:17] Dex Trenchcoat: gahh its hurting my eyes!!

[11:17] Dizzy Banjo: there has an interesting speech system

[11:17] Bevan Whitfield: Dizzy, go get IAlja!

[11:17] JenzZa Misfit: lol .. CeAire ! yes

[11:17] Ninoramai Hax: yes...There has voice sync of a sort

[11:18] JenzZa Misfit: .. Terrance & Phillip from Southpark <--- no copyright violation intended

[11:18] Rik Riel: there has a good speech tool, as well as physics engine

[11:18] Bevan Whitfield: lol

[11:18] Dizzy Banjo: SOMEONE TP ME IN THERE.COM !! Dizzy_Banjo

[11:18] Bevan Whitfield: where area you guys?

[11:19] Malburns Writer: cool eyebrows movement though!

[11:19] Grace McDunnough: I can't help but watch the lip sync and hear "Look out, GODZILLA"

[11:19] Dizzy Banjo: speech is good in it

[11:19] Dizzy Banjo: but its less positional

[11:19] CeAire Decosta: Rockcliffe back online!

[11:19] Harper Beresford: Grace lol

[11:20] CeAire Decosta: Good animation between voice and lip movement. I think someone has already said that.

[11:21] Bevan Whitfield: yes, but it is well done

[11:21] Dizzy Banjo: http://www.creativemachinery.org/lipsync_viewer.html

[11:21] Dizzy Banjo: hopefully SL will have it soon too

[11:21] Ninoramai Hax: There and Forterra relationship seems interesting...good synergy

[11:21] Dizzy Banjo: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4794

[11:22] Bevan Whitfield: I like the Forterra guy that was on.

[11:22] Dizzy Banjo: one option for bringing that to SL

[11:22] IntLibber Brautigan: hi is there supposed to be sound playing yet?

[11:22] Harper Beresford: in video, intlibber

[11:22] CeAire Decosta: yes

[11:22] Harper Beresford: I heard you Beyers

[11:23] Dizzy Banjo: other people are already working on voice gesture triggered facial gestures too :D

[11:23] Boba Bloch: Interesting idea - separate "consumer-driven virtual worlds" from everything else (research, training, simulation...)

[11:23] Sonja Strom: goggles?

[11:23] Dex Trenchcoat: yea a visual way to show AFK anmd other things..

[11:23] Sande Enoch: It's a clever idea.

[11:23] Dizzy Banjo: in there.com if you bring up another app

[11:23] Dizzy Banjo: they see you with goggles on

[11:24] Bevan Whitfield: cute

[11:24] Patroklus Murakami: i think the goggle indicate that you're 'doing something' e.g. searching for events or shopping for stuff

[11:24] Cindy Ecksol: :-) busted!!

[11:24] Tara5 Oh: realXtend are putting the capabilities for expressive avatars in their client - weel beyond what you see here

[11:25] CeAire Decosta: LOL!

[11:25] IntLibber Brautigan: ok voice isn't working

[11:25] Patroklus Murakami: hmm, we're getting a decent feed here in Colonia Nova

[11:25] Dex Trenchcoat: hmm try coming to CMP... everything works well here

[11:25] sweety Yalin: in tv its perfect

[11:25] CeAire Decosta: Rockcliffe is up and running fine now also after the re-start!

[11:26] Katerine Kamachi: here at Commeta as well

[11:26] Harper Beresford: well, people come to SL and expect wheelbarrows of money to come to them as well

[11:26] Ninoramai Hax: If you have the capability, you can pick up the av from slcn.tv

[11:26] Boba Bloch: How to use new technologies isn't always obvious - the first home computer had an integrated kitchen counter because it was assumed that the computer would only be used for recipies

[11:26] JenzZa Misfit: .. hmmmmmm

[11:26] CeAire Decosta: The mainstream brands may go there. I'm planning to stay here to get away from the overt advertising!

[11:26] Dex Trenchcoat: unfortunately true Harper

[11:27] Tao Takashi: there.com sounds pretty much like old marketing where everything is in control

[11:27] IYan Writer: "walled garden"

[11:27] Bjerkel Eerie: I here gates is coming out with Windows world, adn it will begin with /config/batt/sys/ org.cmt-23

[11:27] Harper Beresford: oh i think the CEO here is taking some clear shots at SL right now

[11:27] Tao Takashi: SL also is a walled garden right now

[11:27] Tao Takashi: of course breaking somewhat open with opensim etc.

[11:27] CeAire Decosta: They vet everything before it goes in there world. Takes a large staff for that.

[11:27] Dex Trenchcoat: yea the member base is very young as well.. I felt like a senior citizen when I was there last :)

[11:27] Rik Riel: To clarify, there.com has a shard system allowing several hundred people to be at the same event

[11:27] Tara5 Oh: nnot for long Tao!!!

[11:27] Harper Beresford: very good point, CeAire

[11:28] IYan Writer: tao: walled garden includes content control.. LL only has platform control & TOS

[11:28] Ninoramai Hax: how do they monitor the PG-13 content?

[11:28] Boba Bloch: By this guy's reasoning, Las Vegas must be a flop

[11:28] CeAire Decosta: I just watched the demo video Dex and felt older!

[11:28] IntLibber Brautigan: hold on, real life is all PG-13?

[11:28] Harper Beresford: lol Boba

[11:28] Tao Takashi: how many active people does there.com have?

[11:28] Rik Riel: Dex: their demographic skews both on the teen side and on the 30-40s side

[11:28] IntLibber Brautigan: wheres all these babies coming from?

[11:28] CeAire Decosta: Depends on YOUR definition of PG-13!!!

[11:28] Sande Enoch: Boba: But Las Vegas is a flop. Only a couple dozen million peoplego there a year and spend billions of dollars. How is that a success. :P

[11:28] Tao Takashi: I think Coke is also going the right way with allowing the use of their brand in SL

[11:28] Bevan Whitfield: what kind of economy do they have?

[11:29] Dex Trenchcoat: Tbucks...

[11:29] Harper Beresford: not open like SL, Bevan, as I hear

[11:29] Boba Bloch: You can create stuff for There.com in an external program, then you submit it to them to get approved

[11:29] Bevan Whitfield blinks

[11:29] JenzZa Misfit: .... a good expereicence that is just totally visually inferior ...... mmm kay

[11:29] Cybergrrl Oh: ok, finally logged in. can someone TP me in There.com? I'm Cybergrrl and I look like a tourist

[11:29] Alliez Mysterio: Very costly

[11:29] Ninoramai Hax: http://mmogdata.voig.com/ gives some handy subscription MMORG data

[11:29] Dizzy Banjo: this is a serious point

[11:30] Tara5 Oh: OMG sounds like bigbrother.com

[11:30] IYan Writer: CG: they are not live, they are in an offline copy

[11:30] CeAire Decosta: I see Coke, I recognize Coke. It's cute with their virtual cans and machines and I am amused - just don't start running SL advertisements!

[11:30] Bevan Whitfield: lol Cybergrrl

[11:30] Cybergrrl Oh: oh, phoeey

[11:30] JenzZa Misfit: BUMMER DUDE !!

[11:30] JenzZa Misfit: oops

[11:30] Cybergrrl Oh: but aren't some of you there?

[11:30] Bevan Whitfield: Dizzy and IAlja

[11:30] Cybergrrl Oh: there in there, that is

[11:30] Dex Trenchcoat: god I hate this marketing hype crap... just say the names already and theusers will choose whats best in the end!

[11:31] Sande Enoch: WebKinz rank higher on Google than Second Life. >_<

[11:31] JenzZa Misfit: .... awkward moment

[11:31] Grace McDunnough: Aye

[11:31] Bevan Whitfield: yes - it is huge

[11:31] Dex Trenchcoat: Webkins is also for kids

[11:31] Rik Riel: good question

[11:31] Bevan Whitfield: a totally different product

[11:31] IntLibber Brautigan: yeah those are like muppets eyebrows

[11:31] Bevan Whitfield: world

[11:31] Dex Trenchcoat: exactly bevan

[11:31] JenzZa Misfit: giving lots of stories ! LOL

[11:31] Sande Enoch: Dex: True, but more people know about it than SL, oddly enough

[11:31] Bevan Whitfield: omg there is an article that needs to be released soon !!!!

[11:32] Tao Takashi: I am not sure how useful interviews with CEOs of VWs actually are when it comes to the future of VWs ;-)

[11:32] Sonja Strom: I get tired of both of their mouths just going all the time...

[11:32] Boba Bloch: Good grief - Most stories about SL don't come out of LL's PR group

[11:32] Bevan Whitfield: Right Boba!

[11:32] Ninoramai Hax: true

[11:32] Sonja Strom: don't their mouths get tired?

[11:32] Rik Riel: THERE.com is better at created branded VWs for clients than SL

[11:32] Bevan Whitfield: or their eyebrows Sonja?

[11:32] Harper Beresford: but a blatant advertisement is a turn off, Rik

[11:32] Tao Takashi: RIk: right because of the control factor probably

[11:32] IYan Writer: purpose = to make money

[11:32] Sonja Strom: yeah!

[11:33] IntLibber Brautigan: I'm still waiting for one of them to blow a gum bubble

[11:33] Rik Riel: the ease of use and bandwidth are better

[11:33] Boba Bloch: You mean Forterra / OLIVE Rik?

[11:33] CeAire Decosta: No, a number of stories about SL come from those who come in-world for a couple of hours, get the slant they are looking for and they leave and never come back.

[11:33] Sonja Strom: them too...

[11:33] Zha Ewry: The (YO so badly wants that

[11:33] Tao Takashi: but I think companies need to say byebye to control in the long run

[11:33] Bevan Whitfield: lol Int

[11:33] Tara5 Oh: what is their avaerage concurrency There

[11:33] Grace McDunnough: The what, Zha?

[11:33] Zha Ewry: 9YO

[11:33] Bevan Whitfield: CeAire, omg I just about had a fit the other day reading a banking article

[11:33] Grace McDunnough grins

[11:33] Rik Riel: But SL has a richer public space and open development environment

[11:33] Bevan Whitfield: and it was buls**

[11:33] Zha Ewry: She wants her penguin on SL now ;-)

[11:33] Ninoramai Hax: Agreed tao, capitalistic model will produce long-term growth

[11:34] Tao Takashi: SL is simply more open and will be even more so in the future.. and if you look on the internet then you see that open usually wins

[11:34] Tara5 Oh: my eight year old hates club penguin

[11:34] Sonja Strom: I want my penguin too!! :-D

[11:34] Tao Takashi: so brands have to adjust in the long run

[11:34] Tara5 Oh: thinks it sucks would rather be on SL but like playing on his own in OpenSim

[11:34] Bevan Whitfield: irresponsible journalism

[11:34] Bjerkel Eerie: I dont even think its about "best technoogy" but market position, look at microsoft in operation systems

[11:34] Dizzy Banjo: wandering there.com now.. they seem to be able to achieve far larger numbers of avatars in locations

[11:35] CeAire Decosta: The marketers will have a hey day in kid's worlds. The kids don't know better.

[11:35] Sonja Strom: At least my penguin's mouth doesn't open and close without end

[11:35] Bevan Whitfield: right

[11:35] Tara5 Oh: they shard I think Dizzy

[11:35] Dizzy Banjo: no in single locations tho Tara

[11:35] Alyssya Vella: keep in mind that ALOT of SL residents are screaming louder for much tighter control (even if they dont really realise what they're screaming for).. there.com covers that...

[11:35] Dizzy Banjo: it is sharded too

[11:35] Tara5 Oh: there will be legislation in Europe about this CeAire

[11:35] Bevan Whitfield: Hi Aly and good point

[11:35] Tara5 Oh: and even here kids TV is regulated

[11:35] Alyssya Vella: lol hi Bevan :-)

[11:36] CeAire Decosta: But what about marketers in the US, Tara?!!

[11:36] Dizzy Banjo: im in a field with loads of avatars in it at the moment .. still very smooth

[11:36] Malburns Writer: this niche market approach seems to me to be a barrier to developing metaverse that could eventually be a consistant user interface

[11:36] Zen Zeddmore: there's policy of "content approaval" is partly why there's concurency isbigger. You CAn have all 3d content 'objects' stored lcally.

[11:36] Tara5 Oh: welll they are having a field day in kids worlds now but they may find some brakes soon eeven here!

[11:36] Tao Takashi: it's all a trade-off

[11:37] CeAire Decosta: I wouldn't mind at all Tara5!

[11:37] Harper Beresford: that scion thing sounds stupid..sorry

[11:37] Tao Takashi: one good question would be what he thinks about interoperating with other VWs ;-)

[11:37] Bevan Whitfield: yes yes Tao

[11:37] Malburns Writer: Absolutely Tao

[11:38] Tao Takashi: I am sure he will find many reasons why it's a bad idea ;-)

[11:38] Tara5 Oh: I hope tthe marketing in kids worlds is braked VERY soon it sucks manipulaing childre n

[11:38] Tao Takashi: like "people want walled gardens" and so on

[11:38] Dex Trenchcoat: I wonder if they can find a way to own the cars you get.. I had my Buggy stolen in There.com!

[11:38] Dancer Morris: maybe the sponsor should pay ME, the avatar, not the world

[11:38] Dizzy Banjo: just met Cybergrrl and iAIja in There !!

[11:38] Bevan Whitfield: whew, you found them!

[11:38] Kim Chihuly: good point Dancer

[11:38] Dizzy Banjo: and promptly crashed

[11:38] Bevan Whitfield: oh shoot

[11:38] Harper Beresford: are you sure it's them, Dizzy?

[11:38] Dizzy Banjo: well they recognised me..

[11:39] Bevan Whitfield: Cybergrrl looks like a tourist she said ;-)

[11:39] IYan Writer: it's them ;)

[11:39] Harper Beresford: well, you are a rock star, Dizzy

[11:39] IYan Writer: .. and talking about clothes already

[11:39] Tao Takashi: how big brotherish is There.com? :)

[11:39] Dizzy Banjo: very Tao

[11:39] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[11:39] Rik Riel: I'm dying to see the chat log from there.com. Those folks are very SL phobic.

[11:39] Dancer Morris: it's an entirely PG world, at least in public

[11:39] Bevan Whitfield: Recognized in all virtual worlds.

[11:39] Tara5 Oh: media control world a friend just suggested is a better name!

[11:39] Harper Beresford: at least in public?

[11:40] Bevan Whitfield: See, if they are like that, it means they feel threatened

[11:40] iAlja Writer: THere is so confusing - so glad I found Dizzy :)

[11:40] Ninoramai Hax: Yikes...he said all that!

[11:40] Cybergrrl Oh: found Dizzy and iAlja

[11:40] Cybergrrl Oh: this place is a nightmare

[11:40] Dizzy Banjo: just reloggng Cyber

[11:40] Cybergrrl Oh: I'm totally freaking out

[11:40] Tao Takashi: there also seems to be a lot of there phobic people in here ;-)

[11:40] Bevan Whitfield: yes dizza is reporting back to us on your progress

[11:40] Tara5 Oh: YES the only recent to visit now would be to write and expose!!!

[11:40] Bevan Whitfield: dizzy*

[11:40] iAlja Writer: I've got your hand CG! :)

[11:41] IYan Writer: ftp might help..

[11:41] Bevan Whitfield: lol

[11:41] Tara5 Oh: is he boasting how much data scraping There does!!!!!

[11:41] Sande Enoch: Useful to who?! This is frightening!

[11:42] Rik Riel: he said they anonimize the data

[11:42] Tao Takashi: will this data be deleted? how long is it stored?

[11:42] Tao Takashi: actually the same question for SL ;-)

[11:42] Ninoramai Hax: Forever, Tao...forever

[11:42] Bevan Whitfield: but it seems like it is all about money for them

[11:42] Bevan Whitfield: or for this guy

[11:42] Tao Takashi: seems so

[11:42] Bevan Whitfield: at least

[11:42] Tao Takashi: it's not about creativity

[11:42] CeAire Decosta: agreed

[11:42] Sonja Strom: that's the feeling I get too

[11:42] Bevan Whitfield: where is the love?

[11:42] Sande Enoch: Still, it is a bit worrisome. Anonymised or not. Also, "invading your privacy" is a very loose term. How is privacy defined, what is private what is ostensiby public?

[11:42] Mystique Webb: it's about marketers ;)

[11:43] Rik Riel: Well this talk series is about business

[11:43] Sande Enoch: All my love are belong to JenzZa.

[11:43] Bevan Whitfield: I know but still

[11:43] Tao Takashi: now compare this with LL when you want to complain about them again ;-)

[11:43] Sande Enoch: Sorry, none left for Mr. Wilson.

[11:43] Bevan Whitfield: that is why we are so successful here

[11:43] Bevan Whitfield: so it is all tied together

[11:43] JenzZa Misfit: ..... so they are living in an infomercial .. essentially

[11:43] Ninoramai Hax: and privacy rights vary extremely from country to country

[11:43] Sonja Strom: @ Rik, I don't think it is necessarily about business, but economics

[11:43] Zen Zeddmore: because they discourage building with their approaval prcess, second does ones get meny to sell their creations?

[11:43] Bevan Whitfield: that is one of the biggest attractions of SL

[11:43] Rik Riel: Oh yeah right

[11:43] Bevan Whitfield: is the community luv

[11:44] IntLibber Brautigan: can we reduce the base on this soundtrack?

[11:44] Alyssya Vella: reccommendation: keep in mind what it was list the first time you logged into SL.. i almost guarentee you thoght SL was insane and near impossible all that time ago ;-) thing is.. people DO get attached to their main virtual world (akin to a 'home country') i visit many virtual worlds and if you speak of /compare a foreign one to the one you're in.. while you're there.. you will get shouted down very quickly ;-) even if you do that in SL.. i've heard the "wow this is so different to Entropia" with the Slers response being "then go back to Entropia"... just a thought.. keep these things in mind before you make a judgement ;-)

[11:44] CeAire Decosta: It boils down to any medium any time and any place - don't put anything in writing you don't care for someone else to read in any context!

[11:44] Dizzy Banjo: pretty confident this guy isnt he !

[11:44] Sande Enoch nods to JenzZa. Sounds like it

[11:44] IntLibber Brautigan: bass

[11:44] Tao Takashi: the problem is basically that the distinction between producers and consumers is very strong in there.com it seems

[11:44] Alyssya Vella: wow LARGE lag.. appologies

[11:44] Tao Takashi: that's not really what the world is going to be

[11:44] Bevan Whitfield: I'm not judging something I don't know about.

[11:44] Tao Takashi: so I doubt it's a good model.. producers and consumers will be the same

[11:44] Ninoramai Hax: Agreed, Beven

[11:44] Tara Yeats: Dizzy - probably why he's CEO ;-)

[11:44] Bevan Whitfield: I just am curious about that aspect of community in VWs.

[11:45] Dizzy Banjo: yeh at least Philip doesnt come across the same way ;)

[11:45] Bevan Whitfield: Because from there the new VWs will be created.

[11:45] Malburns Writer: yes - consumers need equal opportunity to become a brand - sounds not possible in There

[11:45] Tara Yeats: control vs. visionary styles of leadership

[11:45] IYan Writer: yup, Philip has the prophet vibe ;) this one screams "car salesman"

[11:45] Dizzy Banjo: lmao

[11:45] Rik Riel: Gotta roll. Take care all! Keep it unreal.

[11:45] Fleep Tuque: laugh

[11:45] Bevan Whitfield: bye Rik

[11:45] Tao Takashi: so that's maybe why he is more attractive to marketers ;-)

[11:45] Tara Yeats: haha Iyan

[11:45] Malburns Writer: lol Iyab !!! agree

[11:46] Bevan Whitfield: lol

[11:46] CeAire Decosta: In this case I am forming my opinion of there.com from their CEO. I had a very different opinion of SL from another user of SL which was favorable.

[11:46] Sonja Strom: heehee have fun in RL Rik!

[11:46] Tao Takashi: cya Rik!

[11:46] Tara5 Oh: bye Rik1

[11:46] CeAire Decosta: If he's trying to sell there.com to me - he's not succeeding!

[11:46] Tao Takashi: he also comes over as a bit arrogant ;-)

[11:47] CeAire Decosta: He's a marketer!!

[11:47] Harper Beresford: that;s his job

[11:47] Tao Takashi: I don't want a marketer to be my dictator ;-)

[11:47] Ninoramai Hax: This type of control model seems like it would be very attractive to corporate sims

[11:47] CeAire Decosta: A "virtual-evangalist?

[11:47] JenzZa Misfit: ... Beyers needs to jump in with a right HOOK !

[11:47] Ninoramai Hax: A good marketer should be religiously focused on their customer... :)

[11:47] JenzZa Misfit: ...or thwip a web on him like Spiderman !

[11:48] Zen Zeddmore: fabbers and 3d printers Tao, remember?

[11:48] Tao Takashi: sure, it is interesting to corporate people but I think there should be choice that you can do that kind of thing on your grid/sim but don't make it happen globally

[11:48] Harper Beresford: all i can think of is those websites that are so junked up with advertisements that the content is hard to find.. no refinement of the graphics, nothing to appeal to my brain and taste

[11:48] Malburns Writer: sure even corporate seems would have second thoughts if they were trappd in something that did not offer interoperatability in the future

[11:48] Bevan Whitfield: always have to respect the client

[11:49] Ninoramai Hax: I haven't been "There", but it seems like you can do so much more with the SL platform

[11:49] Tara Yeats: oh yea... I remember Geocities - lame

[11:49] Bjerkel Eerie: the problem is Harper you have a brain, their target audience does not

[11:49] Yxes Delacroix remembers Geocities!!

[11:49] JenzZa Misfit: OMG GEOCITIES !

[11:49] CeAire Decosta: LOL Bjerkel!

[11:49] JenzZa Misfit: geee AH sit TEEZ

[11:49] Tara Yeats: haha Bjerkel

[11:49] Tao Takashi: but: Netscape is Firefox today!

[11:50] Malburns Writer: me still has obscure Geocities pain-in rump webplace

[11:50] Tao Takashi: Open Source is the key here

[11:50] JenzZa Misfit: Compuserve ! lol

[11:50] Tracey Sassoon: fotrunecity

[11:50] Bevan Whitfield: omg Geocites?

[11:50] Tara Yeats: sheesh - talk about lowering the "old people" rail....

[11:50] Bevan Whitfield: I forgot

[11:50] JenzZa Misfit: TARA ! lol

[11:50] Sande Enoch: I wish we could get away fromsyaing is today's

[11:50] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[11:50] JenzZa Misfit: LOL

[11:50] Bevan Whitfield: lol tara

[11:50] Yxes Delacroix: before the internet, and irc ... there was cb radio... breaker breaker

[11:50] JenzZa Misfit: the old people rail !!!!!!!!!!

[11:50] CeAire Decosta: Old people?

[11:50] Tara Yeats looks around for her cane to beat this guy up!

[11:50] Yxes Delacroix: OLD people!

[11:50] Fleep Tuque: laugh

[11:50] Ninoramai Hax: I'm still interested in the relationship between Forterra and There...2 very different market segments

[11:50] Bevan Whitfield: ha ha ha Yxes

[11:50] Dex Trenchcoat: I see old people!!!

[11:50] JenzZa Misfit: LOLLLL

[11:50] CeAire Decosta: Who's he calling old?

[11:51] Eoin Blessed: There has one of the ugliest metaverse models I've seen

[11:51] Bevan Whitfield: ok good question Nino

[11:51] Fleep Tuque: certain is an interesting perspective

[11:51] Sande Enoch: I'm old. I'm over 20.

[11:51] JenzZa Misfit: <,-------- SERIOUSLY in tearse here

[11:51] Sande Enoch bursts into tears.

[11:51] Dex Trenchcoat: Thank god I cant smell old people!

[11:51] JenzZa Misfit: *** tears 8

[11:51] Tara Yeats: me too Jenzz

[11:51] Bevan Whitfield: ohh god

[11:51] Yxes Delacroix: when i see grey people, i head to the salon

[11:51] CeAire Decosta: LOL Sande!!

[11:51] Sande Enoch: Someone give me the hair dye.

[11:51] Bevan Whitfield: I am crying in RL

[11:51] Sande Enoch: I can't stand it anymore

[11:51] CeAire Decosta pats Sande gently on the back and hands her a cane!

[11:51] JenzZa Misfit: omg ... wheres my printed list of emoticons

[11:51] Yxes Delacroix: rotflmslbo

[11:51] Sande Enoch: Thanks, CeAire, but I think I need a walker.

[11:51] Fleep Tuque: !!

[11:52] JenzZa Misfit: ;-) <-- wink !

[11:52] Bevan Whitfield: just laughed so hard I scared the dog

[11:52] Tara Yeats: haha Sande

[11:52] CeAire Decosta: When I see gray people I wait for things to rez!!

[11:52] Dex Trenchcoat: I'll take a walker too.. iam way past old enough :)

[11:52] Ninoramai Hax: ahh...ruth, my love

[11:52] JenzZa Misfit: omg .. i have prim walkers that you wear !

[11:52] Yxes Delacroix: i traded my walker in for a tp port

[11:52] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[11:52] Bevan Whitfield: Ok, should be open up SL's first senior beauty salon?

[11:52] Sande Enoch: No,. because I am opening the Dire Hardware Store of Doom.

[11:52] JenzZa Misfit: * of course you do , JenzZa *

[11:52] Ophelia Loon: I better go right to a wheel chair I had a comodore

[11:52] Bevan Whitfield: lol Sande

[11:53] Sande Enoch: Believe me, once you go in, you will never leave, until all your cash is gone/

[11:53] Tara Yeats: Bevan - naw, we all just go for looking 30 years younger than we are in RL

[11:53] Dizzy Banjo: finally got into a IM conf with Cyber and Iaj

[11:53] CeAire Decosta: LOL Ophelia, I did too!

[11:53] Sande Enoch is a one woman MST3K episode.

[11:53] JenzZa Misfit: ** DIZZY ! PROGRESS ! **

[11:53] Bevan Whitfield: woot Dizzy!

[11:53] Ninoramai Hax: Hmmm...so, There claims they must know the comsumer to produce gfood content...whereas SL allows the consumer to create their own...

[11:53] Sonja Strom: Anybody ever watch "Wayne's World"? Remember the man who invested in video arcades?

[11:53] Dizzy Banjo: following open chat was impossible.. lol

[11:53] IYan Writer: sonja: lol

[11:53] Fleep Tuque: Trying to log in now Dizzy, seeif you can find me, cause I can't figure out the chat bubble interface

[11:53] Grace McDunnough: Why Dizzy?

[11:53] Bevan Whitfield: well I don't want any one creating my content for me in my Virtual World

[11:53] Malburns Writer: ... and consumer knows best as a rule!!!

[11:53] JenzZa Misfit: ** DIzzy i think you should do a report !!

[11:54] Fleep Tuque: doesn't work for more than two people!

[11:54] Bevan Whitfield: ok so there are four of you in there?

[11:54] Bevan Whitfield: don't get lost

[11:54] IntLibber Brautigan: there is even more like AOL than LL

[11:54] Bevan Whitfield: good point Int

[11:54] Sande Enoch: Report it. . . to the authorities.

[11:54] Dancer Morris: lol

[11:54] IntLibber Brautigan: so lets call em Compuserve

[11:54] CeAire Decosta: True Int!!

[11:55] JenzZa Misfit: ok the body lingo is like : yo .. whazzzzzzzzzzzzzzup ............

[11:55] Fleep Tuque: Ok nevermind it won't run at the same time as SL

[11:55] Zen Zeddmore: They don't see that the meteverse future is home based servers and user controll over content.

[11:55] Tao Takashi: Transparency is also one of the new things you need to learn on the internet ;-)

[11:55] Harper Beresford: lol

[11:55] Fleep Tuque: abnormal program termination!

[11:55] Sonja Strom: heehee JenzZa :-)

[11:55] Sande Enoch: So, I'm going to tell you nothing, because I'm notallowed to tell you, ok? (Guys, is it oi for me to tell him that I'm not allowed to tell him stuff?)

[11:55] Tracey Sassoon: hey i still have my compuserve email to this day :P

[11:55] Harper Beresford: i would rather blow off your question because i have no means of taking metrics

[11:55] Malburns Writer: gree Zen

[11:55] Sande Enoch: Or I'm going to talk about my imaginary customer...

[11:55] Harper Beresford: no wrong.. they don't do metrics

[11:56] Zen Zeddmore: ll

[11:56] JenzZa Misfit: ... lol Sande

[11:56] Bevan Whitfield: no metrics?

[11:56] Sande Enoch: Who is *not* imaginary, he's just in my head.

[11:56] Tao Takashi: it seems he does not be a good marketer though because I don't feel too inclinded now to use there.com

[11:56] Tao Takashi: I might even write a negative blogpost about it

[11:56] Ninoramai Hax: Umm...metrics are a tool taht illuminates customer wants...

[11:56] CeAire Decosta: Me either Tao.

[11:56] Alyssya Vella: LOL so customers wants the population stats... but i'm not going to give those because i want to focus on what my customers want... lol... slightly confused? did i miss something there?

[11:56] Zen Zeddmore: same here, scary place and useless too.

[11:56] Harper Beresford: right. nino.. but they are ill-equipped to do them.. that's what i hear

[11:56] Bevan Whitfield: I am willing to overlook the avis not being that hot but

[11:56] Bevan Whitfield: I mean come on

[11:57] Bevan Whitfield: we are doing Central Grid stuff and look like potatos

[11:57] Ninoramai Hax: Alyssya...exactly

[11:57] Bevan Whitfield: but

[11:57] IntLibber Brautigan: what, never wanted to have sex with a muppet?

[11:57] Bevan Whitfield: this is just kind of turning me off

[11:57] Sande Enoch: and I lost attention about the first 3 seconds. Could you repeat the question?

[11:57] Tao Takashi: even if I might not like the platform itself now I also don't like how it's goverened

[11:57] Sande Enoch: because I don't keep up with my competitors, I just deride them publically.

[11:57] Fleep Tuque: it feels very primitive compared to SL to me

[11:57] Dizzy Banjo: just experimented with a group "random right click jumping session" in there.com with Cybergrrl and IAlja .. lol

[11:57] Yxes Delacroix: Bevan!!! come back!! come back home now, Fleep!!

[11:57] Tao Takashi: ah, now he talks about open standards.. while in reality it's a walled garden ;-)

[11:58] Bevan Whitfield: oh god Sande, you are SO funny

[11:58] Dizzy Banjo: lol yes Tao

[11:58] JenzZa Misfit: ** LIVE on the scene in There.com .. ladies and gentelmen and ............right whatever .... DIZZY BANJO ! ****

[11:58] CeAire Decosta: With barbed wire....

[11:58] Sande Enoch: I'm here all night, Bevan.

[11:58] Zen Zeddmore: do high end art to put in a comicbook world

[11:58] Dizzy Banjo: there is the most closed walled garden ive seen.. lol

[11:58] Tao Takashi: so it's a very limited use of open standards

[11:58] Dizzy Banjo: lol Jenz

[11:58] iAlja Writer: can anybody send us some There bucks?

[11:58] Dancer Morris: he DOES have a point though -- it would be nice if there were some way to import builds from other 3D software into SL

[11:58] Harper Beresford: well, Sande, he keeps up well enough because he got his digs in

[11:58] Sande Enoch: Now now, an electrified fence supported by gun turrets isn't barbed wire. Be nice.

[11:58] iAlja Writer: we can't get anything done for free :-/

[11:58] Bevan Whitfield: bring back souvenirs

[11:58] Harper Beresford: Dancer, there are several workign on that

[11:58] Tao Takashi: now the interesting answers :)

[11:58] Bevan Whitfield: I want to see their hair and plants

[11:58] Sande Enoch: I'm not sure what interoperability means, so my answers are going to be silly.

[11:59] Tao Takashi: ah interoperability = sarcastic thing

[11:59] Ninoramai Hax: Ahhh...Draconian, thy name is There.com?

[11:59] JenzZa Misfit: ......get me tshirt Dizzy ! ... or give me one of YOURS even ! with your logo !<-- hint

[11:59] IYan Writer: bevan: let me put it this way, ruth looks sexy compared to there.com avatars

[11:59] Sande Enoch: Ninoramai: Good one!

[11:59] Bevan Whitfield: oooo I want one too!

[11:59] Yxes Delacroix: I already got a t-shirt.. I want some real hair!!

[11:59] Sande Enoch: At ebay, we were Fascists too!

[11:59] Yxes Delacroix: lol

[11:59] JenzZa Misfit: omg it so cool ..

[11:59] Bevan Whitfield: (do they have pose balls?)

[11:59] CeAire Decosta: Or cool dance balls?

[11:59] Harper Beresford: well, i want better eyebrows, sir

[11:59] Bevan Whitfield: Write a report you guys!!

[11:59] Tao Takashi: so look at opensim and you might notice that people want interoperability

[11:59] Yxes Delacroix: did they ever?

[12:00] Boba Bloch: Interoperability also means having one online identity / profile

[12:00] Zha Ewry: Because they would throw up if they did

[12:00] Harper Beresford: thats because your customers are provincial

[12:00] Ninoramai Hax: WHAT...he just said something totally opposed to what he described as how There.com works...What?

[12:00] Sande Enoch: Mostly because my customers are in my head, and they say what I tell them to say.

[12:00] IntLibber Brautigan: thats cause nobody wants to bring a muppet to SL

[12:00] Sande Enoch: I like it that way.

[12:00] CeAire Decosta: Do they have a big enough customer base to care?

[12:00] Tao Takashi: I now ask them to support interoperability so I can copy over my FB profile

[12:00] Tao Takashi: so much for "never ever"

[12:00] JenzZa Misfit: ....Intlibber : lol

[12:00] Malburns Writer: they WILL ask for it! when they find themselves excluded from other world down the line!

[12:00] Harper Beresford: anyone in there.com is stuck there.. they probably don't even know SL excists

[12:00] Tao Takashi: because I am not a customer but a potential customer I might not count though

[12:00] Malburns Writer: no future vision here

[12:00] Harper Beresford: exists

[12:00] Sande Enoch: I also look to Sears for inspiration. I like their shirts.

[12:00] JenzZa Misfit: LOL

[12:00] Sande Enoch: Also, I think the dollar store is great.

[12:01] Bevan Whitfield: LOL

[12:01] Malburns Writer: just "customers" now philosophy it seems

[12:01] Bevan Whitfield: I love Target.

[12:01] Tao Takashi: but it's what I said "people want walled garden" was the answer indeed

[12:01] JenzZa Misfit: <---- hurting . seriously ... ..the face structure is in pain

[12:01] Sande Enoch: They have nice little trollz, you know, the things with the green hair and the big bellies?

[12:01] Bevan Whitfield: ok I don't get the walled garden thing

[12:01] CeAire Decosta: Like Target. Don't like Wal Smart.

[12:01] Zha Ewry: Sheesh.

[12:01] Tao Takashi: and always the same reasons against interoperability in terms of avatars interoperability

[12:01] Dancer Morris: did he talk about the age issue?

[12:01] Tara Yeats: oooh, TMI... a large female cow??!

[12:01] Bevan Whitfield: Do they have furries?

[12:01] Tao Takashi: there are many ways to be interoperable

[12:01] JenzZa Misfit: lol no

[12:01] IYan Writer: everyone with a hotmail account has passport

[12:01] IntLibber Brautigan: imagine a mall, with prison walls around it

[12:01] Zha Ewry: Of course, I want to bring my friends

[12:01] Ninoramai Hax: They are speciest

[12:01] Tao Takashi: like profiles

[12:01] Zha Ewry: My idenity

[12:01] Harper Beresford: do they have tinies?

[12:01] Mystique Webb: he's not hearing about interop requests because he's not listening

[12:01] Tao Takashi: friends list

[12:01] Fleep Tuque: dont think you can be anything but human avs

[12:01] Tao Takashi: groups

[12:01] Zha Ewry: My abiltyt to find them

[12:01] Sande Enoch: serious note: This whole conversation completely ignores the understandings that people who play WoW, or EQ, have of what their avatar is all about, which is different from the way SL residents think about their avatars

[12:01] Zha Ewry: to talk tot hem

[12:02] Bevan Whitfield: I am making a SL Passport and everyone knows it!

[12:02] Dancer Morris: I know that one reason some projects like Virtual MTV went to There.com is because both under-18 and over-18 people can be there

[12:02] JenzZa Misfit: **HIDE THE cROWS ! ***

[12:02] Zha Ewry: i want to finish the quest

[12:02] Bevan Whitfield: ooo Dancer

[12:02] Zha Ewry: Take my Ave back tothe social

[12:02] Fleep Tuque: nod that's the only benefit I've seen Dancer

[12:02] Zha Ewry: splace

[12:02] Sande Enoch: Fleep: Only humans? Clearly it's a facist regime !I want to be a panda/

[12:02] Fleep Tuque: is that it crosses age groups

[12:02] Zha Ewry: slap the Boss's head on the bar

[12:02] Harper Beresford: MTV might have gone there, but did they STAY there?

[12:02] CeAire Decosta: If I can't be a butterfly I'm definitely not going!

[12:02] Zha Ewry: and Dance to Juel's music!

[12:02] Fleep Tuque: and there seem to be a LOT of young people there

[12:02] Bevan Whitfield: Hey, only humans?

[12:02] Tao Takashi: yes!

[12:02] Bevan Whitfield: That is just plain odd.

[12:02] Fleep Tuque: based on my admittedly limited experiences

[12:02] Dancer Morris: they still have an area in There, but I don't know if it's very active

[12:02] Tao Takashi: I don't want to recreate all my tools in every VW!

[12:02] Sande Enoch: My virtual world includes furries.

[12:02] IntLibber Brautigan: he doesn't want sex beds in There!!!!

[12:02] Zen Zeddmore: bullshit

[12:02] Bevan Whitfield: What?

[12:03] Harper Beresford: right. I want to know that MTV keeps bringing content in and updating it

[12:03] Ninoramai Hax: Um...I would live to bring my tiny robot into WOW

[12:03] Harper Beresford: coming there and trying it out is one thing

[12:03] Sonja Strom: sounds to me like he doesn't want to share...

[12:03] JenzZa Misfit: SL !!

[12:03] JenzZa Misfit: SL !!!

[12:03] Harper Beresford: staying there and being there is another

[12:03] JenzZa Misfit: SL !!!

[12:03] Tao Takashi: WoW is a very bad example, it's a game not a VW

[12:03] Dancer Morris: there aren't any tie-ins to shows that are on the air right now

[12:03] JenzZa Misfit: heh

[12:03] Bevan Whitfield: no furries? no "special furniture" and lets minors run around

[12:03] Tara5 Oh: he he Tao but from what is sounds like if you were willing to submit yourself to the environment of There perhaps you do want the walls to be as high as possible

[12:03] Sande Enoch: Ok now I'm cringing. People who play world of warcraft find simulations like SL boring - there is no story here.....

[12:03] Dancer Morris: they had tie-ins to Laguna Beach and Kaya

[12:03] Bevan Whitfield: I'm going to go hug my beloved SL.

[12:03] Zen Zeddmore: yes!!!

[12:03] Dex Trenchcoat: exactly Tao.. it should not be considered a VW

[12:03] Sonja Strom: exaclty Tao

[12:03] Sande Enoch: bevan: My virtual universe includes sexbeds too. No sexbeds = no thanks

[12:04] IYan Writer: cue the "SL is a game" "no it's not" "all life is a game" discussion :D

[12:04] Bevan Whitfield: I said "special furniture".

[12:04] JenzZa Misfit: ...lol

[12:04] JenzZa Misfit: ....IYan

[12:04] Sande Enoch: IYan: I'm not arguing that it is or it isn't, but only saying what many people who play those sorts of games would argue

[12:04] Tao Takashi: I mean, There.com might have some advantages, every VW has some advantages over another but I don't see a compelling story here

[12:04] Harper Beresford: then MTV has all but abandoned there.com

[12:04] Sande Enoch: OH! They're customers are anorexicx!

[12:04] IYan Writer: sande: just kidding, that pops up on like 80% of metanomic back chats ;)

[12:04] Tao Takashi: look at YouTube, flickr and all those models and compare it to There.com or SL and you know where it's going

[12:04] Harper Beresford: that simple

[12:04] JenzZa Misfit: ...... what ::: stick figures on typing paper !?!?!

[12:04] Tara5 Oh: lightweight experience in a big brother world?

[12:04] Sande Enoch: So, this is a Pro-Ana Mia virtual world? This is horrible!

[12:04] Harper Beresford: he can squeeze that connection abuot 2 more months

[12:05] Bevan Whitfield: Yes, it seems fine for young kids to break their teeth in on.

[12:05] Dancer Morris: not necessarily -- they might have projects in the works for future shows

[12:05] Tao Takashi: I want my sat dish also in There.com!

[12:05] Dancer Morris: the fact that Kaya was a ratings flop didn't help -- that was planned to be their big fall push

[12:05] Zen Zeddmore: strange definition of open.

[12:05] Tao Takashi: and I am not good with 3dmax ;-)

[12:05] Harper Beresford: I thikn if they aren't actively updating content, they have gone

[12:05] IYan Writer: ooh, new SL clothes for Beyers I see

[12:05] Sande Enoch: Zen: Considering the rest of the interview, should we be surprised!?

[12:06] Harper Beresford: yes Beyers looks nice and casual'

[12:06] Zen Zeddmore: heh no

[12:06] Tao Takashi: I see not much in the future for There.com ;-)

[12:06] Tao Takashi: and probably the future of the metaverse will be There will be his answer ;-)

[12:06] Dex Trenchcoat: I do.. but only fopr kids

[12:06] IntLibber Brautigan: There.com is the Speak & Spell of the metaverse

[12:06] Tao Takashi: what should a CEO say different

[12:06] JenzZa Misfit: ** NOTICE :: the SL Beyers has muscles n stuff !! <- goob statement

[12:06] iAlja Writer: There.com does make you appreciate SL so much more

[12:06] Tao Takashi: who is the customer here? me or companies?

[12:06] Bevan Whitfield: and very chic loafers

[12:06] Sande Enoch: Beyers has a nice sweater 'nuf said.

[12:06] Tao Takashi: I am always confused when he talks about "customer"

[12:06] Bjerkel Eerie: does There.com even run on a mac?

[12:06] Sande Enoch: Tao: Companies, probably

[12:06] IYan Writer: tao: companies - and you are the product

[12:06] Bevan Whitfield: Italian snake skin.

[12:07] Dex Trenchcoat: yes thats a sharp outfit :)

[12:07] iAlja Writer: no Mac Bjerkel

[12:07] Zen Zeddmore: use ogre and glIntercept to scratch content ut of there to use in the real metaverse.

[12:07] Dizzy Banjo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14361986@N06/2291457417/

[12:07] CeAire Decosta: And that's a new concept?

[12:07] Harper Beresford: beyers is smokin

[12:07] iAlja Writer: you need Windows and IE

[12:07] Dancer Morris: and certainly no Linux!

[12:07] Tara5 Oh: I don't think it does run on a mac

[12:07] JenzZa Misfit: ..... hello ? .....its real business here

[12:07] Wili Clip: life is not all about the money ...

[12:07] Sande Enoch: So many balls, so few eyes.

[12:07] Dizzy Banjo: its the SL gang in there.com

[12:07] Tao Takashi: so There.com residents are only good marketing material

[12:07] JenzZa Misfit: ... Beyers had a make over and we have Bevan Whitfield to thank ! THANK YOU BEVAN !!!

[12:07] Bjerkel Eerie: LOL end of intest in Therre.com---mopw mac no there

[12:07] Tao Takashi: that's what I get out of this talk

[12:07] Sande Enoch: Dancer: No linux? Not surprising considering their target demographic, but still disappointing.

[12:07] Tara Yeats: LOL Dizzy - I'm installing the software...

[12:07] Kha Voom: anyone want to dance the 80's?

[12:07] Tao Takashi: hey, no open source ;-)

[12:07] Sande Enoch: really? Good job, Bevan :)_

[12:08] Dancer Morris: Tao -- since ordinary There residents can't create anything original, pretty much

[12:08] Bevan Whitfield: You are welcome, I am glad you like it!

[12:08] Tao Takashi: ask him about Open Source! :-)

[12:08] Sande Enoch: Consistent for someone who is a looney!

[12:08] Bevan Whitfield: Yes, we went power shopping! woot!

[12:08] JenzZa Misfit: ...... GEEEZ BEVAN! I know someone else who needs it ..I will pass your name on ! * Dear Eric Clapton .....

[12:08] Dizzy Banjo: Fleep is getting harrased

[12:08] Tao Takashi: I also hope that for him but I doubt it ;-)

[12:08] Tao Takashi: ask him again in 2 years about interoperability

[12:08] Bevan Whitfield: ohh save Fleep

[12:08] JenzZa Misfit: *** NO ! BEYERS is in SL ! **

[12:08] Harper Beresford: sure.. but we don't want to go to there. com

[12:08] Harper Beresford: and his best audience is here

[12:08] JenzZa Misfit: omg... he is trying to STEAL Beyers !

[12:08] Sande Enoch: . . . and now, I make a private offer in a public space!

[12:08] Tao Takashi: of course he has a backdor, just saying that customers then asked for it

[12:08] Bevan Whitfield: ohhhh

[12:08] iAlja Writer: Fleep is flirting in There!

[12:08] Bevan Whitfield: Go get him !!!

[12:08] Fleep Tuque: I am not!

[12:09] Fleep Tuque: :)

[12:09] Bevan Whitfield: ok, that's it

[12:09] Bevan Whitfield: everyone come home

[12:09] Bevan Whitfield: now

[12:09] Zen Zeddmore: given what i've seen with open sim and open grid and realxtend there and SL are soon passee

[12:09] iAlja Writer: lol

[12:09] Dizzy Banjo: haha

[12:09] Fleep Tuque: I'm being griefed by a burp maniac!

[12:09] JenzZa Misfit: ....... LOLLLLLLL

[12:09] Dizzy Banjo: she is !

[12:09] JenzZa Misfit: .... GET EM FLEEP !

[12:09] Sande Enoch: O_O Burp maniac?

[12:09] Bevan Whitfield: omg

[12:09] Tara Yeats: LOL Fleep!

[12:09] Tao Takashi: why wasn't it done by the There.com Cable Network?

[12:09] iAlja Writer: I can see how you're looking at the burp guy fleep... with those big eyes ;)

[12:09] Tao Takashi: or in cooperation with..

[12:09] Bevan Whitfield: well Zen, we still have a lot of work to do on the other grids

[12:09] Eoin Blessed: Note that it's SLCN.TV not THERECN.TV

[12:09] IYan Writer: that was a .. nice, long marketing pitch

[12:09] Sande Enoch: They don't have such a thing, Tao, no "customer" asked for it yet!

[12:09] Harper Beresford claps

[12:09] JenzZa Misfit: HMMMM

[12:09] Dex Trenchcoat: cause there.com doesnt have a cable network

[12:09] Harper Beresford: nice job, Beyers

[12:09] Bevan Whitfield claps

[12:10] CeAire Decosta: Can you orbit him Fleep? Or do you have any defenses?

[12:10] Sande Enoch claps.

[12:10] Wiz Nordberg: well that was fun!

[12:10] Bevan Whitfield: excellent job

[12:10] Cybergrrl Oh: there.com is so expensive

[12:10] Curric Vita: thanks everyone!

[12:10] IYan Writer: but thanks for the perspective Beyers :) makes us appreciate SL more

[12:10] Cybergrrl Oh: can't blow my nose without getting charged

[12:10] JenzZa Misfit: *** BEYERS ! come home NOW !! we voted ! you must return to the light !! *****

[12:10] Sonja Strom: very diplomatic Beyers!! :-D

[12:10] Bevan Whitfield: yes

[12:10] Wiz Nordberg: HEREANDTHERE.TV?

[12:10] Boba Bloch: What's the cost?

[12:10] Yxes Delacroix: thank you all! great comments/chatter here today!

[12:10] Kim Chihuly: /clap

[12:10] Bevan Whitfield: Come back to us!!!

[12:10] Bevan Whitfield: someone send her a weapon

[12:10] iAlja Writer: true CG, we need to get some There bucks!

[12:10] IntLibber Brautigan: or at least return to three well rendered dimensions

[12:10] Bevan Whitfield: How much is it?

[12:10] Malburns Writer: intesesting though

[12:10] Dex Trenchcoat: heheh good one wiz

[12:10] Bevan Whitfield: All of you

[12:10] Tara Yeats: ?

[12:10] Tao Takashi: I think I really will write a blog post now :)

[12:11] JenzZa Misfit: ......LOL Wiz !

[12:11] Tara Yeats: how abut a BEENTHEREDONETHAT.TV

[12:11] Tao Takashi: I should have live blogged it

[12:11] Sande Enoch: good one, Tara!

[12:11] Yxes Delacroix: well done to the SLCN camera crew ... you guys rock!

[12:11] Malburns Writer:

[12:11] Zen Zeddmore: a very eye opening account of there eh?

[12:11] Malburns Writer: lol Tara

[12:11] Sande Enoch: Well done. Patience for the win, Beyers.

[12:11] Tao Takashi: Cyber: how much did you spend during that hour? :)

[12:11] Sande Enoch: Same here, Malburn

[12:11] Dancer Morris: thank you, Beyers

[12:11] Bevan Whitfield: ohh tara funny

[12:11] Bevan Whitfield: lol

[12:11] Onna Thursday: they should alternate venues

[12:11] CeAire Decosta applauds the SLCN crew, staff and reporters!

[12:11] Liam Gunes: will we be able to download the broadcast from slcn.tv?

[12:11] Tao Takashi: thanks Beyers, I hope it wasn't too expensive to do it in There.com :)

[12:11] JenzZa Misfit: ............... NoOnesThere.TV

[12:12] Tao Takashi: I wonder how much you had to pay for the appearance of Mr. Wilson ;-)

[12:12] sweety Yalin: ugly avatars there

[12:12] JenzZa Misfit: NOONESTHERE.TV

[12:12] Onna Thursday: could form a strategic alliance

[12:12] Wiz Nordberg: yes, it will be on the website in about 3-4 hours max

[12:12] Tao Takashi: and I wonder which customer actually asked for that interview ;-)

[12:12] Tara Yeats: Bevan - it would have to be R-rated, since if you've done That in There, you've gotten yourself tossed out

[12:12] Sukozu Shan: BeenTHEREandallIgotwasthislousymuppet.tv

[12:12] IntLibber Brautigan: NotHere.tv

[12:12] Bevan Whitfield: oh dear

[12:12] Yxes Delacroix giggles at the muppets

[12:12] Tara Yeats: LO Jenzza

[12:12] Bevan Whitfield: ok so

[12:12] Sande Enoch: How about NoThanks.tv?

[12:13] IntLibber Brautigan: yeah, tho I can see why they'd do it muppet-like at there

[12:13] Bevan Whitfield: someone interview those guys when they get back

[12:13] Tao Takashi: how much is a there buck?

[12:14] Anders Bartlett: way too much

[12:14] Alyssya Vella: can anyone work out how to get their money in There.com back OUT?

[12:14] CeAire Decosta: Well, they should go back at least once more and try to be open. I resent the reporters that come into SL once and then report.

[12:14] Tao Takashi: and as I see you cannot even be creative in doing what you want, it's all in categories what you can create and submit

[12:14] Wiz Nordberg: i wonder if there.com will be upgrading to new technology from forterra

[12:14] CeAire Decosta: Then interview them!

[12:14] Wiz Nordberg: from a machinema point of view, the there client is VERY hard to control

[12:14] Bevan Whitfield: of course

[12:15] Yxes Delacroix: good point, CeAire.. and a fair one, too

[12:15] Wiz Nordberg: however, forterra has really enhanced that aspect of the technology

[12:15] Bevan Whitfield: I'm going in

[12:15] Beyers Sellers: hi all

[12:15] Bevan Whitfield: I hate judging and I am really good at it

[12:15] Beyers Sellers: back in SL now...sort of

[12:15] Alyssya Vella: i agree CeAire.. and maybe find a spokesperson who comes across a little better

[12:15] Yxes Delacroix: hiya Beyers! welcome back!

[12:15] IYan Writer: wb Beyers ;)

[12:15] IntLibber Brautigan: So how was Oscar the Grouch in person?

[12:15] CeAire Decosta: Take a bag of beans to leave a trail to get out!

[12:15] Bevan Whitfield: bravo, good job, welcome back

[12:15] Beyers Sellers: seems like not everyone loved There

[12:15] sweety Yalin: wb beyers

[12:15] Tara Yeats: wb Beyers!

[12:15] Venus Jervil: wb Beyers

[12:15] Beyers Sellers: a very different model

[12:15] Malburns Writer: wb Beyers !!! did they charge you an exit fee?

[12:15] Bevan Whitfield: lol Mal

[12:15] sweety Yalin: but very different

[12:15] CeAire Decosta: WB Beyers!

[12:15] Yxes Delacroix: lol Mal

[12:16] Wiz Nordberg: it's like being back in good ol' Bedford Falls, eh beyers?

[12:16] Anders Bartlett = not a big fan of there

[12:16] CeAire Decosta: Or make you watch a commercial while the program was shutting down?

[12:16] Dizzy Banjo: thanks everyone !

[12:16] Bevan Whitfield: on no, Fleep is off line, did they keep her?

[12:16] Dizzy Banjo: she had to escape

[12:16] CeAire Decosta: Eeep!!

[12:16] iAlja Writer: no, no, we escaped

[12:16] Tara5 Oh: know - did not luv There but this was a very good session Beyers cos I needed to here it from there to believe it so to speak

[12:16] Yxes Delacroix: oh, no!! F L E E P !!!!! come back to us!

[12:16] Dizzy Banjo: she was being chatted up by a burping guy in pants

[12:16] Bevan Whitfield: gasp

[12:16] IYan Writer: dizzy: I bet he bought the burp thing :)

[12:16] Bevan Whitfield: dizzy go save her

[12:17] Venus Jervil: hahaha!

[12:17] Dizzy Banjo: its ok she has left

[12:17] Beyers Sellers: I see someone else did the "There's no place like home" joke, right?

[12:17] iAlja Writer: we're all safe now!

[12:17] CeAire Decosta: Interesting that they have griefers too for such a controlled environment!

[12:17] Yxes Delacroix: WHO's on first?

[12:17] Bevan Whitfield: whew she is back in world

[12:17] Bevan Whitfield: lol Yxes

[12:17] IYan Writer: well, that's neither here nor There Beyers ;)

[12:17] Beyers Sellers: There doesn't feel like home, in any event

[12:17] Bevan Whitfield: ooo ouch IYan

[12:17] iAlja Writer: but let me tell you something - There is a strange world out there!

[12:17] Dancer Morris: griefers are a constant of the online world, I'm afraid

[12:17] Dizzy Banjo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14361986@N06/2291457417/ <--- our little adventure in There...

[12:17] Tara Yeats: haha Beyers - might havbe missed that one...

[12:17] Yxes Delacroix: you were nowhere cuz you were there, beyers

[12:17] Beyers Sellers: I noticed he said a million members

[12:17] Bevan Whitfield: ohhh good job Dizzy!

[12:17] Sonja Strom: @CeAire - probably corporate saboteurs of other corporations

[12:17] Tao Takashi: BEyers: you simply just don't have the money to feel at home in There I suppose ;-)

[12:17] Dancer Morris: I remember dealing with griefers back in the BBS days

[12:18] Malburns Writer: THERE is no escape folks!

[12:18] IntLibber Brautigan: Beyers this reminded me of watching John Denver Muppets Christmas special

[12:18] Beyers Sellers: I don't know about 60-day unique logins, etc.

[12:18] IYan Writer: beyers: any idea of concurrency?

[12:18] Caliandris Pendragon: Thanks goodness you feel like that Beyers - we'd have had to send you for re-education if you'd liked it

[12:18] Fleep Tuque: Logging out of there crashed SL for me

[12:18] Tao Takashi: from what I heard it's only companies who should feel at home in there

[12:18] Beyers Sellers: I am assuming that is not a good thing, Int

[12:18] Dex Trenchcoat: yes most of the big complaints about SL are true in other worlds a swell

[12:18] Beyers Sellers: well, you saw my Levi's!

[12:18] Beyers Sellers: they must be happy

[12:18] Tao Takashi: probably

[12:18] IntLibber Brautigan: well for John Denver that was sorta jumping the shark for his career

[12:18] Tao Takashi: do you also have to buy these Levis?

[12:19] CeAire Decosta: LOL! I think Levi's sold out to an overseas company didn't they?

[12:19] Tara Yeats: anyone still in There?

[12:19] Beyers Sellers: apparently, those Levi's trade for $80 US

[12:19] sweety Yalin: you are always looking great beyers

[12:19] Tao Takashi: what?!?

[12:19] Sonja Strom: really?

[12:19] Tao Takashi: they must be double happy then

[12:19] Beyers Sellers: at their peak

[12:19] iAlja Writer is not going back There

[12:19] Tao Takashi: Hm, why again are people in There.com?

[12:19] CeAire Decosta: The company may still be US but the goods made overseas. Not sure.

[12:19] Tao Takashi: they can get cheap rip-offs here ;-)

[12:19] Bevan Whitfield: and where is the creativity?

[12:20] Cindy Ecksol: wait - people pay $80 for VIRTUAL LEVIS???

[12:20] Alyssya Vella: i thnk there.com apears to have a very good model for real world brands and companies.. yes its restrictive but it does seem to address some of the legal issues in virtual worlds.. the CEO was VERY hard to relate to positively tho and really didnt present themselves well

[12:20] Bevan Whitfield: My new jeans are by a SL designer.

[12:20] Tao Takashi: they might even get non-ripoffs which look better ;-)

[12:20] Zha Ewry: So they can be programmed with corporate messages?

[12:20] IntLibber Brautigan: I hereby propose that underage SL users get banished to There

[12:20] Beyers Sellers: btw, sorry everyone that I didn't get to ask audience questions

[12:20] Bevan Whitfield: very grass roots here

[12:20] Tao Takashi: well, you did ask mine ;-)

[12:20] Sonja Strom: Good Job Beyers - thanks! :-D

[12:20] Bevan Whitfield: supporting the artistic and creative community

[12:20] Tao Takashi: but I knew the answer already ;-)

[12:20] IntLibber Brautigan: yeah Wilson was very defensive

[12:20] CeAire Decosta: That's okay Beyers!

[12:21] Bevan Whitfield nods in agreement with Int

[12:21] CeAire Decosta: He was good at double-talk.

[12:21] Malburns Writer: think you covered the threads well enough Beyers

[12:21] Bevan Whitfield: yes

[12:21] Bevan Whitfield: you really kept your cool

[12:21] Tao Takashi: he was also good at criticizing Beyers ;-)

[12:21] Bevan Whitfield: we didn't

[12:22] Wiz Nordberg: i think it's important to keep in mind that There really isn't a technology company. it's a company using another technology companies product to exploit a market opportunity

[12:22] Bevan Whitfield: for something completely different

[12:22] Beyers Sellers: excellent point, Wiz

[12:22] Beyers Sellers: I think that totally showed

[12:22] Wiz Nordberg: just like SLCN! :)

[12:22] Bevan Whitfield: right, and we are going to have thousands of these soon

[12:22] Tao Takashi: Wiz: right

[12:22] CeAire Decosta sees the blog-o-sphere not coming down very favorably on there.com today!

[12:22] Beyers Sellers: and as a business prof, I don't disapprove!

[12:22] Wiz Nordberg: sorry :)

[12:22] Wiz Nordberg: but when you hear forterra talk about VW,'s you get a really different picture

[12:22] Alyssya Vella: nicely done Buyers.. was great to see another virtual world being introduced to SLers :-)

[12:22] Beyers Sellers: yes, they are pushing Olive forward

[12:22] Wiz Nordberg: the forterra guy was smart, to the point, understood where they were aiming and had no hesitation describing their strategy as a contrast to others

[12:23] Dizzy Banjo: i think he was defensive though.. good that you pressed him Beyers

[12:23] Bevan Whitfield: yes, but that guy from Forterra was VERY engaging.

[12:23] Beyers Sellers: yes, he was great

[12:23] Tao Takashi: I missed the forterra guy

[12:23] Bevan Whitfield: and this guy, well, hmm

[12:23] CeAire Decosta: I believe SL needs competition but they are going to have to do better than this.

[12:23] Bevan Whitfield: go watch it on SLCN Tao!

[12:23] Dizzy Banjo: well There had its day

[12:23] Bevan Whitfield: he was great

[12:23] Tao Takashi: I think the competition comes from within SL itself

[12:23] Tao Takashi: Bevan: That was my plan ;-)

[12:23] Tao Takashi: but not today anymore

[12:23] Bevan Whitfield nods at Tao

[12:23] Tao Takashi: competition in terms of opensim etc.

[12:23] Bevan Whitfield: ohh and don't miss last nights show!!!

[12:24] Bevan Whitfield: Right Tao

[12:24] Bevan Whitfield: tons of those going on now

[12:24] Tao Takashi: and later on friendly competition in terms of open source developers trying to make it better

[12:24] Tao Takashi: well, opensim is also more friendly competition

[12:24] Wiz Nordberg: "From There to Here, and Here to There, Funny things are Everywhere"

[12:25] Wiz Nordberg: rare one can quote Dr. Seuss appropriately in a tech gathering

[12:25] CeAire Decosta: LOL Wiz!!

[12:25] Dizzy Banjo wants to see Google's thing

[12:25] Yxes Delacroix: lol wiz

[12:25] Bevan Whitfield: is it up yet Dizzy?

[12:25] Bevan Whitfield: or is it still hearsay?

[12:26] Dizzy Banjo: it exists apparently

[12:26] Dizzy Banjo: ...

[12:26] Bevan Whitfield: but no furries allowed

[12:26] Bevan Whitfield: or is that the Chinese one?

[12:26] Bevan Whitfield: too many to keep up with...

[12:26] Dizzy Banjo: currently being tested at Arizona State Uni apparently..

[12:27] Bevan Whitfield: bad enough keeping up with buildin CG..

[12:27] Beyers Sellers: yes, that is my understanding

[12:27] Dizzy Banjo: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1028/1427384586_fbcc5e4ad2_o.png

[12:27] Bevan Whitfield: I guess it is going to be huge.....

[12:27] Dizzy Banjo: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1366/1427400224_956c624b70_o.png

[12:28] Dizzy Banjo: this is the last i heard of it

[12:28] Bevan Whitfield: thanks

[12:28] Dizzy Banjo: this was a long time ago now though

[12:28] Dizzy Banjo: every time ive seen a member of google on a panel ive tried to quiz them.. no hints what so ever

[12:28] Bevan Whitfield: I know, haven't heard any "noise" in awhile about it

[12:28] Venus Jervil: another fascinting session, thanks to all contributors!

[12:29] Venus Jervil: bye every one!

[12:29] Bevan Whitfield: so can we talk about Multiverse one of these days? Beyers touched on it a bit last night.

[12:29] Tao Takashi: this "announcement" was a bit too fuzzy for me though to believe in it ;-)

[12:29] Beyers Sellers: yes

[12:29] Bevan Whitfield: Looks very nice.

[12:29] Tao Takashi: Multiverse was that thing where the client did not run for me I think

[12:30] Tao Takashi: haven't they been at DrDobbs once?

[12:30] Dizzy Banjo: yeh

[12:30] Dizzy Banjo: Cory Bridges was once .. a while ago now

[12:32] Tao Takashi: yeah, remember that. was when I tried to install a game

[12:32] Tao Takashi: but it took quite a while to download

[12:32] Tao Takashi: err, not game, demo world of course :)

[12:33] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[12:33] Veritas Variscan: wouldn't work for me either

[12:33] Tao Takashi: after 1 hour of download it then crashed

[12:33] Tao Takashi: or maybe 40 mins

[12:33] Veritas Variscan: me, too, Tao

[12:33] Tao Takashi: can't remember anymore

[12:33] Veritas Variscan: took forever, them BLAM

[12:33] Veritas Variscan: I tried three times

[12:33] Tao Takashi will talk about VW interoperability soon at the Metaverse 08 btw

[12:34] Malburns Writer: Hah - sighs of relief in twitter as people escape from There

[12:34] Bevan Whitfield: Did you guys read the cnet.com article on Multiverse?

[12:34] Bevan Whitfield: running to go look ;-)

[12:34] Tao Takashi: mostly of course about Linden Lab's plans because not many others have plans ;-)

[12:34] Veritas Variscan: not yet, Bevan...but NOW I will, lol

[12:34] Chimera Cosmos: I was semi-crashed the whole time but I saw and heard the video

[12:34] Bevan Whitfield: http://www.news.com/8301-13772_3-9869405-52.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=...

[12:34] Chimera Cosmos: didn't want to log out and risk not getting back in :-)

[12:34] Veritas Variscan: thanks, Bevan

[12:34] Chimera Cosmos: good job Beyers

[12:35] Bevan Whitfield: as always

[12:35] Tao Takashi: yep :)

[12:35] Bevan Whitfield: He seemed hard to interview ;-/

[12:35] Tao Takashi: next time also ask about Open Source though ;-)

[12:35] Tao Takashi: to get more predictable answers

[12:35] Bevan Whitfield: oooo snap Tao

[12:35] Chimera Cosmos: I could see myself sitting where I'm standing now, but I don't think anyone else could hahaha

[12:35] Veritas Variscan: I wish I could've gotten here earlier

[12:36] Tao Takashi: I might try multiverse now again with my new cmpt

[12:36] Veritas Variscan: oooh, Tao, let us know if you get in

[12:36] Chimera Cosmos: has anyone tried There on a BootCamp partition on Mac?

[12:36] IYan Writer: chinmera: yes

[12:36] IYan Writer: Just did it today

[12:36] Bevan Whitfield: I'm going tomorrow.

[12:37] Veritas Variscan: :-)

[12:37] Tao Takashi: btw, what's missing in SL is a way to print notecards

[12:37] Dizzy Banjo: interesting "dont believe in Google Myworld" post : http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/article.php/3701891

[12:37] Veritas Variscan: thx, Dizzy

[12:38] Bevan Whitfield: And, for fairness sakes, will go to There as well.

[12:38] Tao Takashi: Dizzy: I was very curious about this whole thing anyway in why it made it from simple screenshots to that "Google virtual world" thing

[12:38] Tao Takashi: I think that's a very big stretch

[12:38] Tao Takashi: and it was interesting to see how the blogosphere does the same thing as newspapers

[12:39] Dizzy Banjo: yeh.. in many ways it would make sense for them to try it.. if they could combine alot of their tools..

[12:39] Tao Takashi: after it's been on techcrunch nobody really asked any question about it anymore and assumed it's all how like that

[12:39] Dizzy Banjo: but that doesnt mean they ARE doing it

[12:39] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[12:40] Tao Takashi: probably now they need to do it ;-)

[12:40] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[12:40] Robbie Kiama: :))

[12:40] Veritas Variscan: 1,000 avs in a sim in Multiverse ! ? !

[12:40] Dizzy Banjo: the only reason why its strange.. is at discussion panels.. representatives from google dont deny it

[12:40] Bevan Whitfield: oh Dizzy! These pics are great!!! You guys look so....

[12:41] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[12:41] Dex Trenchcoat: I'll belive that abvout 100 avs when i am there to experience it !

[12:41] Tao Takashi: ok, Multiverse takes it time once again.. now with installing .NET

[12:41] Tao Takashi: file 6 of 17

[12:41] Veritas Variscan: hmmm

[12:41] Bevan Whitfield: We should do group field trips!

[12:41] Tao Takashi: or maybe it's the Multiverse client already

[12:41] Veritas Variscan: what kind of machine did you get Tao?

[12:41] Chimera Cosmos: my kids go to ASU and I wanted them to do the Google thing, but they refused

[12:41] Tao Takashi: Well, actually I only got a new gfx card ;-)

[12:41] Veritas Variscan: Yes, Bevan! Smashing idea!

[12:41] Tao Takashi: but it's fresh installed

[12:42] Tao Takashi: some core2 duo, cannot remember the speed

[12:42] Bevan Whitfield: I'm scared to go alone ;-/

[12:42] Chimera Cosmos: they think virtual worlds (except my son in WoW) are lame, they say

[12:42] Sloan Skjellerup: YES! I love a good Field Trip!!!

[12:42] Veritas Variscan: ha ha ha, I will protect you

[12:42] Veritas Variscan: Hiya, Sloan!

[12:42] Bevan Whitfield: Can sloan and I bring our AK-47s?

[12:42] Tao Takashi: file 9 of 17...

[12:42] Tao Takashi goes for making a coffee

[12:42] Veritas Variscan: between me & Sloan no worries

[12:42] CeAire Decosta: Can Sloan take her TP thrower?

[12:42] Veritas Variscan: ha ha ha

[12:43] Malburns Writer: Can I have "Send to There" button for greifers please?

[12:43] Veritas Variscan: nice idea, Mal

[12:43] Bevan Whitfield: I'll bring my tweezers....looks like they are needed there...I can pick up a few There bucks.

[12:43] Tao Takashi: do they have griefers?

[12:43] Sloan Skjellerup: hehe Got a cow shooter too

[12:43] Bevan Whitfield: and a watermelon one as well Sloan!

[12:43] CeAire Decosta: Ask Fleep Tao!

[12:43] Tao Takashi: Fleep, do they have griefers in There? :)

[12:44] Veritas Variscan: Hiya Fleepster, are you around?

[12:44] Eoin Blessed: Instead of BANNING griefers, send them to the banner's choice of RLC or THERE

[12:44] Tao Takashi: I guess SL is still missing Nick highlighting

[12:44] Veritas Variscan: maybe someone will make a Very Special World, just for griefers

[12:44] Chimera Cosmos: hi Curric

[12:44] Veritas Variscan: P/N World

[12:44] Tao Takashi: yay, 15 of 17

[12:45] Chimera Cosmos: didn't see you sitting there behind the chat window :-)

[12:45] Aimee Trescothick: they did, WoW

[12:45] Tao Takashi: I feel it coming! ;-)

[12:45] Veritas Variscan: heh heh Aimee

[12:45] Aimee Trescothick: =)

[12:45] Curric Vita: lol - hi Chimera : )

[12:45] Chimera Cosmos: my alt is standing behind me

[12:45] Tao Takashi: it's interesting, they have a progress bar without any progress

[12:45] Tao Takashi: but the file count increases sometimes

[12:45] Chimera Cosmos: she came in to see if Chimera was really here...and she was not lol

[12:45] Veritas Variscan: mmhmm

[12:46] Bevan Whitfield: Ok, how long has There been around?

[12:46] Veritas Variscan: hmm, 7 years?

[12:46] Tao Takashi: I think he said 2003 they opened

[12:46] Tao Takashi: but the company is 10 years old

[12:46] Veritas Variscan: that short?

[12:46] Dex Trenchcoat: the CEO claimed 10 years in one form or other

[12:46] Bevan Whitfield: but the avis are so

[12:46] Veritas Variscan: I thought ppl were in beta there about 7 years ago

[12:46] Chimera Cosmos: nice robe curric

[12:46] Bevan Whitfield: (I heard that 10 year thing as well Dex)

[12:47] Chimera Cosmos: academic, or is it a cape?

[12:47] Chimera Cosmos: haha

[12:47] Dex Trenchcoat: yes Bevan, and I agree the Avs in there look terrible

[12:47] Curric Vita: some combination of the two, I suppose, but thanks

[12:47] Bevan Whitfield: I mean

[12:47] Veritas Variscan: is meeting now over?

[12:47] Bevan Whitfield: in CG we are super noobs

[12:47] Bevan Whitfield: but it's getting there

[12:47] Tao Takashi: ok, it seemed to be downloading .NET because not it's installing .NET

[12:48] Dex Trenchcoat: yea... got attachments yet in CG?

[12:48] Bevan Whitfield: maybe this should all be about content

[12:48] Tao Takashi: somebody say SL is a big download ;-)

[12:48] Bevan Whitfield: ask Aly!

[12:48] Bevan Whitfield: I am just a noob.

[12:48] Chimera Cosmos: what is CG?

[12:48] Bevan Whitfield: Central Grid

[12:48] Chimera Cosmos: oh, here?

[12:48] Chimera Cosmos: as in Main Grid?

[12:48] Dex Trenchcoat: gotta log out.. region restart

[12:48] Chimera Cosmos: or different

[12:48] Dex Trenchcoat: later all

[12:49] Bevan Whitfield: I just want to lean the max about the future of grids/platforms/VWs

[12:49] Veritas Variscan: is the meeting over?

[12:49] Bevan Whitfield: bye Dex

[12:49] Bevan Whitfield: Does this IM have a curfew?

[12:49] Tao Takashi: Veritas: The actual Metanomics is over for 50 minutes now

[12:49] CeAire Decosta: Just looking at their demo on their website and at the interview in SL I felt like I was trapped in an Archie comic book!

[12:50] Bevan Whitfield: show us CeAire!

[12:50] Veritas Variscan: ah, thanks Tao, I cannot get to a SL meeting at 11AM most of the year now, took a new job

[12:50] Bevan Whitfield: url

[12:50] Bevan Whitfield: well, Wiz said the tape would be up in a few hours.

[12:50] Chimera Cosmos: see you all--got to do some RL work

[12:50] Chimera Cosmos: bye

[12:50] Bevan Whitfield: video, whatever

[12:51] Bevan Whitfield: bye Chimera

[12:51] Veritas Variscan: yes, I will watch, but it's not like being there, boohoo

[12:51] Dizzy Banjo: im gonna go too

[12:51] Bevan Whitfield: I should go do stuff as well...

[12:51] Dizzy Banjo: thanks all !!!

[12:51] Bevan Whitfield: I know ;-(

[12:51] Tao Takashi: now Multiverse installed something and then disappeared

[12:51] Curric Vita: bye chimera : )

[12:51] Veritas Variscan: take care everybody

[12:51] Bevan Whitfield: thanks for the URLs dizzy and the tshirt!

[12:51] Bevan Whitfield: bye see you all soon!

[12:51] Tao Takashi: so I guess Multiverse does still not work for me ;-)

[12:52] Veritas Variscan: that blows

[12:52] Bevan Whitfield: bummer

[12:52] Bevan Whitfield: ok let's plan field trips soon!