Chat Transcript for 03/28/08

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Chat Transcript for 03/28/08 Mitch Kapor

Group Chat:
[2008/03/28 10:04] JenzZa Misfit: test testing group chat ! ?
beeeep !!
[2008/03/28 10:05] Beyers Sellers: seems to work for me!
[2008/03/28 10:05] Riech Corinthian: beeb
[2008/03/28 10:05] Beyers Sellers: unless you sent that 10 ?
minutes ago
[2008/03/28 10:05] Dex Trenchcoat: Beep Beep... test Test...
[2008/03/28 10:05] Yxes Delacroix: good morning all.
[2008/03/28 10:05] CallieDel Boa: Hello
[2008/03/28 10:05] Hack Richard: beep
[2008/03/28 10:05] JenzZa Misfit: its not working for many ?
people actually
[2008/03/28 10:06] JenzZa Misfit: *joke*
[2008/03/28 10:06] Malburns Writer: replies most softly - ?
lol
[2008/03/28 10:06] Marc Montague: works
[2008/03/28 10:06] Yxes Delacroix: there it is!!
[2008/03/28 10:06] Riech Corinthian: beeep
[2008/03/28 10:06] Dahlia Trimble: It worked :)
[2008/03/28 10:06] Dex Trenchcoat: :(
[2008/03/28 10:06] Marc Montague: It is very very delayed
[2008/03/28 10:06] Nany Kayo: : )
[2008/03/28 10:07] Jennette Forager: sending now
[2008/03/28 10:07] Dex Trenchcoat: hmmm yes very delayed...
[2008/03/28 10:07] Annie Sani: OK, i think we all agree ?
its working :)
[2008/03/28 10:07] Yxes Delacroix: :)
[2008/03/28 10:07] Dex Trenchcoat: Check Check...
[2008/03/28 10:07] JenzZa Misfit: 10 minutes .... try 10 ?
days !!
[2008/03/28 10:08] Texas Timtam: Roger.
[2008/03/28 10:08] JenzZa Misfit: or .. SOME
[2008/03/28 10:08] Annie Sani: ping
[2008/03/28 10:09] Awakened Dreamscape: that's a big 10-4
[2008/03/28 10:09] JenzZa Misfit: omg ! is it just me ? or ?
does Beyers have a new look ! * HINT*
[2008/03/28 10:10] Yxes Delacroix: looking good!! wow!
[2008/03/28 10:10] JenzZa Misfit: .. doesnt he !?!?! ?
Thanks to Bevan Whitfield ! YES ! BEYERS IS ALMOST ?
........HUMAN !! woohoo !
[2008/03/28 10:11] Dex Trenchcoat: where is todays event ?
taking place?.. anyone have an LM?
[2008/03/28 10:11] JenzZa Misfit: one moment Dex
[2008/03/28 10:11] JenzZa Misfit: ?
http://slurl.com/secondlife/CMP%201/251/0/23
[2008/03/28 10:11] Edwound Wisent: holdd up. i got a long ?
note on that somewhere
[2008/03/28 10:11] JenzZa Misfit: there is the SLURL .. ?
click
[2008/03/28 10:12] Edwound Wisent: oop. never mind ditz. ?
there it is. thanks JenzZa
[2008/03/28 10:12] Dex Trenchcoat: Thanks.. good to see you ?
agian Jenzza... :)
[2008/03/28 10:12] JenzZa Misfit: good to see you all :) ?
this is a BIG day ! woohoo ! cant wait for this ?
interview
[2008/03/28 10:15] Edwound Wisent: (^ the place is gonna lag ?
spit chunks fer sure.. hold up let me find something
[2008/03/28 10:15] Yxes Delacroix: hey hey JenzZa!! good to ?
see you too!
[2008/03/28 10:16] Malburns Writer: hi all
[2008/03/28 10:16] Elani Matova: Hi, would you mind talking ?
to us for a moment
[2008/03/28 10:16] Scope Cleaver: Hiya Malburns
[2008/03/28 10:16] Yxes Delacroix: we should be getting on ?
with this close to ON Time... starting at 1030 am slt
[2008/03/28 10:17] Ima Ideator: is it at trhe usual place ?
again?
[2008/03/28 10:17] Beyers Sellers: CMP, Ima
[2008/03/28 10:17] Ima Ideator: lol is that the usual place?
[2008/03/28 10:17] Beyers Sellers: well, not sure there is a ?
usual place
[2008/03/28 10:18] ArtWorld Market: where is it now?
[2008/03/28 10:18] Ima Ideator: oh sorry..the sam eplace at ?
the Nick Yee interview..I'm lookingthrough my LMs
[2008/03/28 10:18] Beyers Sellers: yep, same as Nick ?
Yee/Life 2.0
[2008/03/28 10:18] Ima Ideator: oh great..thanks!
[2008/03/28 10:18] Beyers Sellers: ?
http://slurl.com/secondlife/CMP%201/251/0/23
[2008/03/28 10:18] ArtWorld Market: can someone tp me?
[2008/03/28 10:19] ArtWorld Market: tx
[2008/03/28 10:19] Meringue Pavlova stands..... looking ?
slightly cold
[2008/03/28 10:20] Malburns Writer: Group IM buggy - testing
[2008/03/28 10:21] Malburns Writer: ah ok now
[2008/03/28 10:22] Malburns Writer: I have no stream from ?
SLCN yet - is it on?
[2008/03/28 10:23] Ima Ideator: lol Beyers..did you change ?
the look of your avi?
[2008/03/28 10:23] Texas Timtam: It should be Malburns.
[2008/03/28 10:23] Beyers Sellers: yes, Ima
[2008/03/28 10:23] Ima Ideator: nice :)
[2008/03/28 10:23] Beyers Sellers: I had professional help, ?
of course
[2008/03/28 10:23] Dex Trenchcoat: I am seeing Greenscreen ?
here at CMP....
[2008/03/28 10:23] Beyers Sellers: Bevan Whitfield is a ?
professional shopper!
[2008/03/28 10:23] JenzZa Misfit: *** Bevan Whitfield ! ?
redid ... his avatar as well *** hand done ! !
[2008/03/28 10:23] Harper Beresford: very nice, Beyers.....
[2008/03/28 10:23] JenzZa Misfit: like a homemade pie !!
[2008/03/28 10:23] JenzZa Misfit: ok thats a bad example
[2008/03/28 10:24] Beyers Sellers: Someone told me the old ?
beyers looked kind of like Gumby!
[2008/03/28 10:24] Ima Ideator: It's good to hook up with ?
those! Nice male hair, Beyers
[2008/03/28 10:24] Draxtor Despres: mal i crashed
[2008/03/28 10:24] Draxtor Despres: can u tp to event?
[2008/03/28 10:24] Harper Beresford: excellent taste, Bevan
[2008/03/28 10:24] JenzZa Misfit: Drax ... SLURL
[2008/03/28 10:24] JenzZa Misfit: ?
http://slurl.com/secondlife/CMP%201/251/0/23
[2008/03/28 10:24] Malburns Writer: k drax
[2008/03/28 10:24] Jennette Forager: someone take a pix plz!
[2008/03/28 10:25] Edwound Wisent: just jazz music at the ?
moment, correct?
[2008/03/28 10:26] IYan Writer: hi all - been here for a few ?
mins but needed the time to take in the new Beyers :) looking ?
good!
[2008/03/28 10:26] Scope Cleaver: Hello IYan
[2008/03/28 10:26] Harper Beresford: will this really be in ?
voice?
[2008/03/28 10:26] Texas Timtam: Yes, jazz music on the ?
stream right now. (radio actually)
[2008/03/28 10:26] Malburns Writer: great - have stream now
[2008/03/28 10:29] Serene Jewell: I just logged in, where ?
can I go to watch Kapor interview stream right now?
[2008/03/28 10:30] Beyers Sellers: ?
http://slurl.com/secondlife/CMP%201/251/0/23
[2008/03/28 10:31] Edwound Wisent: whats the outside link ?
agin?
[2008/03/28 10:32] Butterflyrose Jewell: http://www.slcn.tv/
[2008/03/28 10:32] Butterflyrose Jewell: or ?
http://www.life20.net/realtime.php? but you need an account
[2008/03/28 10:34] Edwound Wisent: thnx/ at the moment I got ?
4 echos kicking. I better mute some channels
[2008/03/28 10:35] Edwound Wisent: YEAYyyy!
[2008/03/28 10:35] IYan Writer: More Metanomics on Twitter - ?
http://twitter.com/metanomics - and Facebook - ?
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11010369679
[2008/03/28 10:35] Tandie Nightfire: there is a tv where I ?
am if anyone needs a public place to watch it
[2008/03/28 10:36] IYan Writer: Website: ?
http://metanomics.net/
[2008/03/28 10:37] IYan Writer: yay RDV :) I tried it out ?
yesterday and the chairs / anims are great!
[2008/03/28 10:37] Jarod Godel: Is this the "back chat?"
[2008/03/28 10:38] Sonja Strom: yes
[2008/03/28 10:38] Harper Beresford: yes or in the ?
auditorium, jarod
[2008/03/28 10:38] Burhop Piccard: Audio, video, and two ?
chat windows. thank goodness there is no smell-o-vision yet.
[2008/03/28 10:38] Tuna Oddfellow: Hello there folks.
[2008/03/28 10:38] Jarod Godel: *sniffs lunch* Says you.
[2008/03/28 10:38] Edwound Wisent: one of many, Jarod
[2008/03/28 10:39] Tuna Oddfellow thinks of how he would all ?
smellovision to his SL show.
[2008/03/28 10:39] Tuna Oddfellow: use
[2008/03/28 10:40] Robbie Kiama: wow - how one man can do so ?
many things in one lifetime ...
[2008/03/28 10:40] Jarod Godel: he's a brilliant man
[2008/03/28 10:41] Edwound Wisent: most ppl do that much, ?
actually. jjust never plunked together a vita
[2008/03/28 10:42] Salem Sella: I love that Medaphore (Pies0
[2008/03/28 10:44] Shava Suntzu: edwound, perhaps people you ?
and I know, but no, most people don't do that much, ?
demographically...;)
[2008/03/28 10:45] Jarod Godel: Distributed Mechanical ?
Turkified Google?
[2008/03/28 10:45] Edwound Wisent: .. most ppl are not ?
..HERE, Shava
[2008/03/28 10:46] Jarod Godel: Can we ask Mr. Kapor ?
questions?
[2008/03/28 10:47] Yxes Delacroix: type them here, Jarod, ?
and beyers will catch it
[2008/03/28 10:47] Tuna Oddfellow: I believe we will get a ?
chance to, yes
[2008/03/28 10:48] Yxes Delacroix: and "hopefully" get a ?
chance to ask him, if he misses it.
[2008/03/28 10:48] Shava Suntzu: I met Mitch probably 25-30 ?
years ago, just after the rehab of an old brick monstrosity ?
into the Lotus HQ, in Cambridge.
[2008/03/28 10:48] Jarod Godel: QUESTION: Do you think we, ?
as individuals, will ever have our own sims, like we have our ?
own desktops?
[2008/03/28 10:49] Tuna Oddfellow: Our own grids would be ?
more to the point.
[2008/03/28 10:50] Jarod Godel: Sims before grids. You have ?
to have harddrives before you can have SAN/NAS networks.
[2008/03/28 10:51] Edwound Wisent: this idea goes all the ?
way back to 1989. video toaster caused a LOT of waves.
[2008/03/28 10:51] Jarod Godel: 89? try 81. Tron.
[2008/03/28 10:51] Edwound Wisent: the biz modle is in ?
need of de-bunking
[2008/03/28 10:51] Goldie Katsu: With open Sim you can have ?
your ownsim on your computer.
[2008/03/28 10:51] Quanta Torok: Babylon 5 fan --> thankies ?
video toaster!
[2008/03/28 10:52] Edwound Wisent: sun stations wou;d help. ?
one in every home
[2008/03/28 10:52] Edwound Wisent: HABITAT
[2008/03/28 10:52] Jarod Godel: Goldie, sure, but I want to ?
hear if he thinks that the individual/personal sim will be as ?
important as the personal desktop.
[2008/03/28 10:52] Lisp Hax: how about a SLURL that maps to ?
any machine on the internet... Then the issue is the backend ?
and of commerce, the database connectivity and payment ?
processing
[2008/03/28 10:52] Pebbles Hannya: How does he see the ?
metaverse looking in 2, 5, and 10 years?
[2008/03/28 10:52] Klaatu Quintus: Sun stations, lol
[2008/03/28 10:53] Edwound Wisent: sunstations will BECOME ?
the personal; computer. take another 5 years tops
[2008/03/28 10:53] Goldie Katsu: Ah that is a more clear ?
question. :) I like that one.
[2008/03/28 10:54] Edwound Wisent: hey. if they're good ?
enough for the movie industry, they're good enough for every ?
jo blow wanting to create content
[2008/03/28 10:54] Lisp Hax: iphones will be the personal ?
computer ... take another x years tops
[2008/03/28 10:54] Eoin Blessed: Open SIM only works if you ?
can interact it to SL - if standalone, it's a nice toy but ?
misses on the long strength of SL proper
[2008/03/28 10:55] Edwound Wisent: open sourcing is gonnah ?
be a handfull . so many "threats" .. to capitalism..
[2008/03/28 10:55] Prim Forager: more likely graphics cards ?
with CPU's than silly phones
[2008/03/28 10:55] Edwound Wisent: THANK YOU for dropping ?
out.. it's the only way to get INTO...IT
[2008/03/28 10:55] Edwound Wisent: /med
[2008/03/28 10:56] Klaatu Quintus: Pioneers take all the ?
arrows
[2008/03/28 10:56] Edwound Wisent: ah alias lists
[2008/03/28 10:57] Edwound Wisent: where's my waccom ?
tablet?!
[2008/03/28 10:57] Stuart Taurog: The great challenge for ?
Linden Lab is to get new people in quickly and get them to ?
stay there
[2008/03/28 10:57] Erica Burns: stuart another challenge is ?
the requirements for good graphics card and processing power
[2008/03/28 10:58] Erica Burns: otherwise the user ?
experience is so poor
[2008/03/28 10:58] Edwound Wisent: new ppl at this stage are ?
mostly .. low end mass consumers.. and ultra hi end ?
creaters
[2008/03/28 10:58] Edwound Wisent: it CAN be.. ?
COLLABERATIVE..
[2008/03/28 10:58] FlipperPA Peregrine: Bang, I'm in. :) ?
Greetings, folks.
[2008/03/28 10:58] Zoe Connolly waves
[2008/03/28 10:59] Marc Montague: Is the stream ?
intermittent?
[2008/03/28 10:59] Yxes Delacroix: hiya!
[2008/03/28 10:59] Edwound Wisent: but if the ones.. try ?
1nnerVerse.
[2008/03/28 10:59] FlipperPA Peregrine: I'm getting the ?
stream unbroken :)
[2008/03/28 10:59] Edwound Wisent: 0UTerverse = un jacked. ?
un plugged. outside contact context.
[2008/03/28 10:59] Stuart Taurog: I just sat through a ?
company video cast - it would have been much better to hold ?
it in SL
[2008/03/28 11:00] IYan Writer: good question
[2008/03/28 11:00] Vide Szondi: Hey Flipper -glad you made ?
it.
[2008/03/28 11:00] Edwound Wisent: tsk. I wish someone was ?
SUPER TITLING this all
[2008/03/28 11:00] FlipperPA Peregrine: Its good to be at an ?
SL event! I've been so swamped I haven't had much time to ?
make them lately. I've always been a big fan of Mitch's :)
[2008/03/28 11:00] Klaatu Quintus: Whoops
[2008/03/28 11:00] Edwound Wisent: i.. need to go peee.
[2008/03/28 11:01] FlipperPA Peregrine: Mitch is the ?
starting shortstop in the geek all-star baseball team
[2008/03/28 11:01] FlipperPA Peregrine: Except when he kicks ?
out his microphone ;-)
[2008/03/28 11:01] Ancient Shriner: He was talking about the ?
limitations of the platform and
[2008/03/28 11:01] Edwound Wisent: mitch got glitched. ?
yuppers
[2008/03/28 11:01] Klaatu Quintus: Error at shortstop, lol
[2008/03/28 11:01] Harper Beresford: voice..
[2008/03/28 11:01] Jarod Godel: Don't dis Philip's baby!
[2008/03/28 11:02] Edwound Wisent: funny. right when talking ?
about limitations
[2008/03/28 11:02] Edwound Wisent: ...can you song and ?
dance cut fer a while?
[2008/03/28 11:02] Farqot Gustafson: Irony - it's a ?
wonderful thing!
[2008/03/28 11:02] Marc Montague: SL is broken down
[2008/03/28 11:02] Malburns Writer: lol
[2008/03/28 11:02] IYan Writer: it is consistent - at ?
crashing LOL
[2008/03/28 11:02] Jarod Godel: Actions speak louder than ?
voice chat.
[2008/03/28 11:02] Marc Montague: *rolls eyes
[2008/03/28 11:02] Edwound Wisent: human brains can't even ?
do that,
[2008/03/28 11:02] Robbie Kiama: hehe
[2008/03/28 11:02] Ancient Shriner:
[2008/03/28 11:03] Edwound Wisent: ...can we see the pages?
[2008/03/28 11:03] Salem Sella: SL bites everyone even it's ?
creater.
[2008/03/28 11:03] Edwound Wisent: I'm so glad I'm not deaf
[2008/03/28 11:03] Salem Sella: Well this makes me feel ?
better.
[2008/03/28 11:03] Jarod Godel: I want to know if Mitch ?
thinks the future of virtual worls isn't so much as "worlds" ?
as "world views," will we log into SL or will SL overlay ?
first life?
[2008/03/28 11:03] Ancient Shriner: Mainframes will solve ?
this problem Mitch
[2008/03/28 11:03] Beyers Sellers: JEnzZa, help!
[2008/03/28 11:03] Edwound Wisent: mitch kick/booted ?
hisself!
[2008/03/28 11:03] ThePrincess Parisi: .
[2008/03/28 11:04] Ancient Shriner: running clouds of Linux ?
boxes is NOT the answer
[2008/03/28 11:04] Jarod Godel: clouds of iPhones?
[2008/03/28 11:04] Shava Suntzu: mainframes? How retro... ?

[2008/03/28 11:04] Ancient Shriner: not at all Shava, banks ?
still use them
[2008/03/28 11:04] Ancient Shriner: so do the credit card ?
processors
[2008/03/28 11:04] Malburns Writer: offer your seat Beyers - ?
be a gentleman! lol
[2008/03/28 11:05] Ancient Shriner: or anyone else than ?
needs to process 100's of millions of records quickly
[2008/03/28 11:05] Klaatu Quintus: Why sit? lol
[2008/03/28 11:05] Ancient Shriner: look how many servers in ?
the LL farms are sitting idle, what a waste
[2008/03/28 11:05] Harper Beresford: he could hover like zha ?
did
[2008/03/28 11:06] Ancient Shriner: those should all be ?
virtualized machines on a mainframe
[2008/03/28 11:06] Edwound Wisent: ...you want a bike ?
instrtead?
[2008/03/28 11:06] Ancient Shriner: that way the mainframe ?
can scale up the processing power the more people show up on ?
the land
[2008/03/28 11:06] Dizzy Banjo: howdy gang
[2008/03/28 11:06] IYan Writer waves to Dizzy
[2008/03/28 11:06] Malburns Writer: hi Dizzy
[2008/03/28 11:06] Shava Suntzu: I'm half being sarcastic, ?
Ancient. I'm imagining SL served from Multics...:)
[2008/03/28 11:06] Edwound Wisent: dern typo.. YAY BEAST!
[2008/03/28 11:06] Jarod Godel: There's too much overhead ?
Ancient.
[2008/03/28 11:06] Ancient Shriner: or vt100
[2008/03/28 11:06] Jarod Godel: I've asked Zero Linden about ?
virtualization, and that was his answer.
[2008/03/28 11:07] Edwound Wisent: ..can we take over the ?
battle simmulator? make it used for non military apps?
[2008/03/28 11:07] Klaatu Quintus: cpm
[2008/03/28 11:07] Ancient Shriner: I've talked to Philip ?
directly about it too Jarod, and his answer was the same, I ?
don't agree with them
[2008/03/28 11:07] Edwound Wisent: binary
[2008/03/28 11:07] Edwound Wisent: punch cards
[2008/03/28 11:08] Jarod Godel: Ancient, FWIW, I agree with ?
you...and I disagree.
[2008/03/28 11:08] Edwound Wisent: we want you to load a ?
tiny avatar
[2008/03/28 11:08] Edwound Wisent: takes up less primrate
[2008/03/28 11:08] Aphilo Aarde: It's an historical tension ?
in the IT revolution - open source and hacking stimulate ?
innovations, but proprietariness can limit this. Yet ?
ownership is profitable. SL is already quite open as an ?
emerging society. How do you make SL secure and easy for ?
people to shape businesses, and leave open the rich avenues ?
for innovations due to hacking, drawing on, for example, the ?
wikipedia model?
[2008/03/28 11:09] Jarod Godel: I think SL is badly designed ?
in terms of virtualization, but I think future worlds will ?
have to use it.
[2008/03/28 11:09] Edwound Wisent: wierd al yankovic ref ?
with the hawaii deal?
[2008/03/28 11:09] Harper Beresford: he is right.. abuot how ?
long it will take to push this
[2008/03/28 11:09] Edwound Wisent: AMIGA.. bring it back to ?
what CAUSED dos to neeed tom die
[2008/03/28 11:10] Ancient Shriner: I wish it were so Mitch, ?
captial is hard to get on any reasonable terms
[2008/03/28 11:11] Harper Beresford: and here we are ?
contributing to this.. and all these amazing minds we have ?
here are slowly building this as well
[2008/03/28 11:11] Jarod Godel: But, Ancient, startups don't ?
need mloney anymore...just as Paul Graham. ;)
[2008/03/28 11:11] Ancient Shriner: rofl, I'll tell that to ?
my co-lo provider next time they present me with an invoice!
[2008/03/28 11:11] Klaatu Quintus: Can you say Forterra or ?
ProtoSphere?
[2008/03/28 11:12] Jarod Godel: haha! Yes!
[2008/03/28 11:12] Jarod Godel: Bottom up.
[2008/03/28 11:12] Pebbles Hannya: Will it be possible to ?
take your SL avatar into those smaller private virtual ?
spaces?
[2008/03/28 11:12] FlipperPA Peregrine: Or Anshe Chung ?
Studios, Eros 3-D, SLBoutique or SLExchange? :)
[2008/03/28 11:12] FlipperPA Peregrine: Most of those were ?
started by accident - trust me :)
[2008/03/28 11:12] Burhop Piccard: I've got a list of 10 ?
"private" VWs. Jumping between them is the issue.
[2008/03/28 11:13] Klaatu Quintus: 10?!? Lots more than ?
that.
[2008/03/28 11:13] Burhop Piccard: 10 platforms...
[2008/03/28 11:13] FlipperPA Peregrine: There are 10 private ?
Multiverse VWs alone already
[2008/03/28 11:13] Jarod Godel: The answer about avatar ?
interop should be as simple "can i plug my jump drive into ?
your computer?"
[2008/03/28 11:13] Burhop Piccard: Multiverse is one.
[2008/03/28 11:14] Klaatu Quintus: Avatar/Object standards ?
needed for inerWorld movement
[2008/03/28 11:14] Shava Suntzu: Question: The relationship ?
between the SL community and LL is perceived to have ?
experienced a sea change with the more standard entertainment ?
fansite policy for use of marks giving way to a very ?
restrictive, complicated, and (I believe) UGLY policy ?
protecting marks, logos, and language regarding SL. It's ?
still our imagination -- when did it stop being our world? ?
The early models/culture was participatory, now we seem to be ?
mere users. Comment?
[2008/03/28 11:14] Vide Szondi: Hey Burhop - is your list of ?
10 private platforms public? Link? (tia)
[2008/03/28 11:14] Jarod Godel: Start with the bottom up, ?
built an install base, and like files on a disk, you'll be ?
able to load avatars into ther world.
[2008/03/28 11:14] Edwound Wisent: GANGleaVerse!
[2008/03/28 11:14] Klaatu Quintus: Multiverse and Darkstar ?
are frameworks
[2008/03/28 11:14] Edwound Wisent: back to binary: sure
[2008/03/28 11:14] Sophrosyne Stenvaag: well said, Shava!
[2008/03/28 11:14] Edwound Wisent: ] the revenue comes..
[2008/03/28 11:15] Burhop Piccard: Vide - no.... I'll stick ?
it in a blog and post it to twitter later :-)
[2008/03/28 11:15] Edwound Wisent: from FREE LABOR hi tech ?
obsessives
[2008/03/28 11:15] Vide Szondi: @Burhol ; thanls!
[2008/03/28 11:15] Vide Szondi: Burhop
[2008/03/28 11:15] Edwound Wisent: ohhhh. poor baby..
[2008/03/28 11:15] Vide Szondi: glag
[2008/03/28 11:15] Jarod Godel: QUESTION: Is Second Life ?
ever going to work on that "bottom up" architecture?
[2008/03/28 11:16] Edwound Wisent: YEAH! ascii huim . don't ?
boot . please
[2008/03/28 11:16] Edwound Wisent: top down. drill down
[2008/03/28 11:17] Edwound Wisent: if you yank off the open ?
source, you will alien8 the beta MAKERs and tester FIXERS
[2008/03/28 11:17] Jarod Godel: They banned con artists.
[2008/03/28 11:17] Edwound Wisent: and they will simply move ?
to another platform
[2008/03/28 11:17] Shava Suntzu: LL claimed that any bank ?
that couldn't back deposits 100% was not a legit business. ?
Try applying that to RL.
[2008/03/28 11:18] Quanta Torok: hehehe -- the Fed just ?
lowered reserve requirements to 5% .... hmmmm
[2008/03/28 11:18] Aphilo Aarde: Question: It's an ?
historical tension in the IT revolution - open source and ?
hacking stimulate innovations, but proprietariness can limit ?
this. Yet ownership is profitable. SL is already quite open ?
as an emerging society. How do you make SL secure and easy ?
for people to shape businesses, and leave open the rich ?
avenues for innovations due to hacking, drawing on, for ?
example, the wikipedia model? How might the new CEO richly ?
facilitate innovation?
[2008/03/28 11:18] Edwound Wisent: they also will ?
accidently/intentionally, ban... conCEPTUAL artISTEs
[2008/03/28 11:19] Shava Suntzu: The reason to use the term ?
"second life" was because it was an English idiom. It's ?
funny that now they claim prior use to the idiom, legally...
[2008/03/28 11:19] Edwound Wisent: is there more going oput ?
of practice .. because of US ..virginia trying to squelch ?
down global communications?
[2008/03/28 11:20] Klaatu Quintus: SecondLife is appropriate ?
for the gamers and role players, but it's entirely wrong for ?
the broader value proposition of VWs.
[2008/03/28 11:20] Edwound Wisent: ... ,maybe the CEO just ?
needed to go get laid.
[2008/03/28 11:20] Vide Szondi adds ?
htpp://twitter.com/burhop to his Google Reader subs, since ?
too clueless to use twitter directly :)
[2008/03/28 11:21] LifeFactory Writer: @Klaatu--why do you ?
say that?
[2008/03/28 11:21] ThePrincess Parisi: Klaatu.......i ?
disagree!
[2008/03/28 11:21] Edwound Wisent: the founder had to get ?
lost in order to find self again?
[2008/03/28 11:21] Jarod Godel: Question: How many years do ?
you think it'll be before the "bottom up" software, for group ?
meetings as you suggested, hits the market?
[2008/03/28 11:21] Sonja Strom: @ Shava, what about ?
McDonald's registration of the term "I'm lovin' it!"
[2008/03/28 11:21] Dex Trenchcoat: I absolutely Agree ?
Kaatu... Second Life the name will have to be left behind ?
eventually, in order for this platform to be taken seroiusly ?
beyond games...
[2008/03/28 11:22] Edwound Wisent: google ripped /riffed ?
off scuzi spell checking concept. they just doid id well ?
enough to be use filled.
[2008/03/28 11:22] Shava Suntzu: Edwound : the path of the ?
hero via Steve Jobs as archetype? :)
[2008/03/28 11:22] Erica Burns: klaatu agree w/ you ?
completely. The name immediately begs the response "get a 1st ?
life"
[2008/03/28 11:22] IYan Writer: dex: I agree, the name made ?
me try it out like a year later..
[2008/03/28 11:22] Edwound Wisent: so transparent there's ?
no smoke in mirrored sites?
[2008/03/28 11:22] Movies1963 Beck: unless the name turns ?
into "Google Second Life"
[2008/03/28 11:22] Sonja Strom: What name would you guys ?
suggest?
[2008/03/28 11:23] Dex Trenchcoat: exactl Iyan.. and it ?
blocks some from looking at this platfrom in more depth...
[2008/03/28 11:23] Edwound Wisent: second life, as a brand ?
name, is OFFENCIVE
[2008/03/28 11:23] Klaatu Quintus: VWs can be an 'extension' ?
of life, allowing you to experience things you can't ?
otherwise because of physical limitations in time or space.
[2008/03/28 11:23] Shava Suntzu: meh. There is better? ?
Twinity? Because they make you think of...nothing?
[2008/03/28 11:23] Edwound Wisent: hey! ROBIN. vback off. ?
you never take my calls either.
[2008/03/28 11:24] IYan Writer: "Additional life", "Life ?
enhancement" - but I'm revealing myself as an AUG here lol
[2008/03/28 11:24] Dex Trenchcoat: The Grid is already being ?
used to discuss Buisness and education apps here...
[2008/03/28 11:24] Klaatu Quintus: 'Second' implies ?
seocondary, not primary
[2008/03/28 11:24] Shava Suntzu: By saying you need a second ?
life, I thought the implication was that you *have* a life. ?
If you take it wrong, maybe you're defensive? Can't have a ?
second life unless you have one in RL...
[2008/03/28 11:24] Tuna Oddfellow: Twinity has a lot to ?
think about beyond a name at this point.
[2008/03/28 11:24] Crap Mariner: The phrase "Your World" was ?
merely a suggestion then?
[2008/03/28 11:24] Dex Trenchcoat: so name like "the Grid" ?
or even "Virtual Grid" could be possiblities...
[2008/03/28 11:24] Shava Suntzu: It started as "linden ?
world." I like SL better
[2008/03/28 11:24] Tuna Oddfellow: Your world our IP
[2008/03/28 11:25] Shava Suntzu: Normal people don't know ?
what a grid is. They know what life is..:)
[2008/03/28 11:25] Saijanai Kuhn: meta-grid is the term I'm ?
using these days
[2008/03/28 11:25] Edwound Wisent: if you believe3 in re-?
incarnation, and sanscrit is part of your personal ?
connection to this (h)EARTH.. then "second" needs be ?
replaced with "nanosecond ..cont(R)act
[2008/03/28 11:25] Dex Trenchcoat: and lets be hionest here ?
folks... calling someone who owns a Sim and is allowing ?
people to rent that space... is not right...
[2008/03/28 11:25] Quanta Torok: 'meta-grid' tends to imply ?
the whole of all disperate grids on the net
[2008/03/28 11:25] Aldon Huffhines: The business is ?
community. Business decisions that don't promote community ?
here will damage the business.
[2008/03/28 11:25] Dex Trenchcoat: its Not Real Estate.. its ?
MetaSpace...
[2008/03/28 11:25] Edwound Wisent: write right rite
[2008/03/28 11:26] Sonja Strom: Hmm, I can imagine my ?
friends' response if I told them I was logging into ?
"MetaGrid."
[2008/03/28 11:26] Shava Suntzu: "UnReal Estate?"
[2008/03/28 11:26] Vide Szondi: How about "Life3d"? It has ?
the next number hack, connex to old name, not too many hits ?
on Google (only 5,000).
[2008/03/28 11:26] Sonja Strom: haha Shava!
[2008/03/28 11:26] Tuna Oddfellow: I agree grid means ?
nothing to newbies of virtual worlds. We need real world ?
language.
[2008/03/28 11:26] Shava Suntzu: ;)
[2008/03/28 11:26] Burhop Piccard: Vide, I blog fast. ?
Here you go ?
http://associationofvirtualworlds.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?
?id=2008361%3ABlogPost%3A21929
[2008/03/28 11:26] Klaatu Quintus: lol
[2008/03/28 11:26] Erica Burns: shava that's not how ?
business people respond -- they always say, "get a 1st life"
[2008/03/28 11:26] Jarod Godel: BuildSpace
[2008/03/28 11:26] Aldon Huffhines: Sonja, how does that ?
different from telling them you log into Second Life?
[2008/03/28 11:26] Edwound Wisent: linden needs to start ?
handing out smelly blacket statements to the indigitaness ?
natives
[2008/03/28 11:27] JenzZa Misfit: <------- is eating toast©
[2008/03/28 11:27] Sonja Strom: Second Life sounds more ?
real, I think... less geeky.
[2008/03/28 11:27] Shava Suntzu: Erica, "business people" ?
would find a way to say that if the name weren't there. This ?
is not a boy named Sue.
[2008/03/28 11:27] Vide Szondi: @Burhop: wow - are you ?
*sure* you're also hanging on every word MitchK says??? ;-) ?
Thanks!
[2008/03/28 11:27] Edwound Wisent: robin QUIT.
[2008/03/28 11:27] Jarod Godel: SL's core competence isn't ?
that it's a 3D world or social software, it's core competency ?
is that it's THE ONLY 3D space where you can build stuff on ?
the fly.
[2008/03/28 11:27] Burhop Piccard: Vide, and watching two ?
chat windows :-)
[2008/03/28 11:27] Jarod Godel: They need to remember that.
[2008/03/28 11:27] Sonja Strom: Edwound! That is totally ?
uncalled for here!!!
[2008/03/28 11:27] JenzZa Misfit: ***HERE WE GO !!****
[2008/03/28 11:28] Jarod Godel: Robin quit what?
[2008/03/28 11:28] Edwound Wisent: maxis never re-contacted ?
me way back in 1992. i wonder whatever happened to Joe ?
Lewis.
[2008/03/28 11:28] Edwound Wisent: quit trying to squelch ?
down the truth serum.
[2008/03/28 11:29] Aldon Huffhines: Heh... LL, changing the ?
rules whenever it is convenient for them, and unconvenient ?
for residents.
[2008/03/28 11:29] Edwound Wisent: this is important
[2008/03/28 11:29] Jarod Godel: Imagine
[2008/03/28 11:29] Crap Mariner: At this point, "Your World? ?
Your Imagination!" makes more grammatical sense.
[2008/03/28 11:30] Jarod Godel: The TOS has always given LL ?
access to your IP, they just phrased it in such a way that ?
their usage of your IP was as "promotional material."
[2008/03/28 11:30] Edwound Wisent: Aldon: there are a LOT ?
of fiormer special effects GRUNTS.. taken out of the ?
working pool by mass permalance tech to far far away.
[2008/03/28 11:31] Edwound Wisent: these.. are the ones.. ?
making second life rich in imagery
[2008/03/28 11:31] Klaatu Quintus: Jarod; right on; that's ?
one of the major reasons businesses won't deeply adopt SL; if ?
they talk about IP in a chat LL technically owns it.
[2008/03/28 11:31] Saijanai Kuhn: heave they touched on open ?
source, open-grid, etc?
[2008/03/28 11:31] Edwound Wisent: and now , much like the ?
indians, are about to lose thier WORKSHOP spaces.
[2008/03/28 11:31] Dex Trenchcoat: The greatest Obstacle to ?
the Futuire of Second Life is .. at times.. its own user base ?
who bemoan and cry at everysingle road bump...
[2008/03/28 11:31] Edwound Wisent: trade marks is not a ?
global concept.
[2008/03/28 11:31] Jarod Godel: Klaatu, that's why Anything ?
I do in SL is dumped into "public domain"
[2008/03/28 11:32] Klaatu Quintus: Yup
[2008/03/28 11:32] Jarod Godel: Until I can run SL on my own ?
computer, I'm not putting anything of value into it
[2008/03/28 11:32] Aldon Huffhines: Everyone I hear seems to ?
think it is going poorly and that nothing substantial is ?
being done to address it.
[2008/03/28 11:32] Mattie Melson: isn't it basic trademark ?
law that you can't give away your 'mark' and then take it ?
back? something about that old you can't xerox a copy ad ?
campaign....
[2008/03/28 11:32] Saijanai Kuhn: I'm curious about how this ?
trademark issues will touch on the open-grid
[2008/03/28 11:32] Jarod Godel: No offense intended, but ?
anyone who was surprised by this is an idiot
[2008/03/28 11:32] Shava Suntzu: The old fansite model of ?
using marks was sufficient legal protection for Sony, NBC, ?
and various companies much larger than LL
[2008/03/28 11:32] LifeFactory Writer: I tend to agree with ?
you, Dex...without wanting to illicit tomatoes thrown in my ?
direction! But I do feel that any step LL makes to assure ?
its longevity, only serves to benefit the users. There is an ?
OS Grid being built for those who are terribly unhappy here.
[2008/03/28 11:32] Edwound Wisent: Jarod. smart. VERY ?
smart. it's like giving soul to the electronic community.
[2008/03/28 11:32] Shava Suntzu: They had a policy in place ?
that seemed to be working.
[2008/03/28 11:32] LifeFactory Writer: *elicit
[2008/03/28 11:33] Saijanai Kuhn: LifeFactory, that is being ?
done with full blessing and help from LL i
[2008/03/28 11:33] Edwound Wisent: YAY TEA LEAVES! I preffer ?
good earth bags.
[2008/03/28 11:33] Harper Beresford: might it just be that ?
Philip got sick of doing what he was doing? could we maybe ?
imagine that? it happens
[2008/03/28 11:33] LifeFactory Writer: Which is increbilby ?
forward thinking of LL, don't you think, Saiijanai?
[2008/03/28 11:34] Edwound Wisent: they come with little ?
rayings on the thumb holder
[2008/03/28 11:34] Aphilo Aarde: A class on "Society and ?
Information Technology" about the IT revolution on Berkman ?
Island in SL - http://socinfotech.pbwiki.com on Wednesdays at ?
4 pm SLT - at large partipation welcome.
[2008/03/28 11:34] Saijanai Kuhn: its traditional that the ?
founder of a company steps aside at some point to allow the ?
company to grow larger. There are only a few notable ?
exceptiosn to that
[2008/03/28 11:34] Jarod Godel: Blah, blah, blah. Come on, ?
ask him about the technology.
[2008/03/28 11:34] Jarod Godel: Talk more about this "bottom ?
up" stuff.
[2008/03/28 11:34] Klaatu Quintus: How about Bill Gates? lol
[2008/03/28 11:34] Jarod Godel: Saijanai, say, like, ?
Microsoft? :)
[2008/03/28 11:34] Aldon Huffhines: Saijanai... LL ?
trademarked the word 'grid' relating to 3d virtual worlds.... ?
We'lll see if it stands... If so, OpenSim 'grids' will need ?
to be called something else.
[2008/03/28 11:34] Edwound Wisent: whatever happened to ?
WYSIWYG Ami Pro?
[2008/03/28 11:35] Dex Trenchcoat: es Writer... and your ?
right.. there are nrew Grids now.. and the Linden Lab haters ?
should sign on thoseGrids.. and try to accomplish anything.. ?
I dare you... the OS grids are waaaay behin SL in terms f ?
features and capapbilities.
[2008/03/28 11:35] Klaatu Quintus: ...or Sun?
[2008/03/28 11:35] Edwound Wisent: IBM is as mussed up as ?
gates at this point.
[2008/03/28 11:35] Saijanai Kuhn: Aldon can you point me to ?
where that is done?
[2008/03/28 11:36] Shava Suntzu: ?
http://sl.governormarley.com/slpress/?p=27 for info on the ?
old policy
[2008/03/28 11:36] Edwound Wisent: kundinii syndrom is NEVER ?
going to be "predictable"
[2008/03/28 11:36] Aldon Huffhines: There has been a long ?
discussion about that on the OpenSim Developers list.
[2008/03/28 11:36] Malburns Writer: Great point - there ?
needs tyo be non-proprietory protocols for builing metaverse
[2008/03/28 11:36] Edwound Wisent: i mean at improbabilty ?
factor 3
[2008/03/28 11:36] Edwound Wisent: ..this one goes to ?
eleven..
[2008/03/28 11:37] Chase Marellan: If the long term plan is ?
to give up control over the server platform, what is the long ?
term revenue model?
[2008/03/28 11:37] Saijanai Kuhn: Actually, Dex, OpenSims ?
are innovating in a lot of ways. What LL has going for it is ?
customer-base and momentum. OS wiill catch up to the SL grid ?
in features within a year
[2008/03/28 11:37] Jarod Godel: Chanse, He said that earier: ?
hosting
[2008/03/28 11:38] Edwound Wisent: nudge. not thrust out ?
and away.
[2008/03/28 11:38] Jarod Godel: Look at LiveJournal or ?
TypePad and apply the same question.
[2008/03/28 11:38] Dex Trenchcoat: Yes Siaj... and by that ?
time SL will be on to the next big thing...
[2008/03/28 11:38] Saijanai Kuhn: Chase, LL is the inventor ?
of the technology (the SL-compatible grid) so they are in the ?
best position to take advantage of its openness. An owner of ?
a small slice of a huge pie instead of total owner of a tiny ?
pie
[2008/03/28 11:38] LifeFactory Writer: I remain a huge ?
advocate and "fan" of SL, but admit I am learning to script ?
so that I can contribute to the OS Grid at some point. I ?
loved when someone there said: "Ok...we've built SL, now ?
lets get on with building the metaverse!"
[2008/03/28 11:39] Saijanai Kuhn: LifeFactry, are yo a ?
member of hte AWG?
[2008/03/28 11:39] Chase Marellan: makes sense, Sai
[2008/03/28 11:39] Aldon Huffhines: OpenSim Disrupting the ?
distruptive technology of Second Life.
[2008/03/28 11:39] Jarod Godel: Question: How far away are ?
we from that "bottom up" archetecture you were talking about?
[2008/03/28 11:39] LifeFactory Writer: I think not, SAijani, ?
becaue I do not know what AWG is. What is it?
[2008/03/28 11:39] Jarod Godel: Hyper-Distruptive?
[2008/03/28 11:39] Edwound Wisent: yeash. why mnot ?
conglomerate with googel/u-tubre and create a new name ?
brand>/.. GOOGLEPLEXicon !
[2008/03/28 11:40] Saijanai Kuhn: Architecture Working Group
[2008/03/28 11:40] Jarod Godel: Goog-L
[2008/03/28 11:40] Edwound Wisent: yyyEAHhhh!
[2008/03/28 11:40] Sonja Strom: oh yeah, the way people are ?
introduced is not very powerful for what really is in SL.
[2008/03/28 11:40] Saijanai Kuhn: and they already have a ?
test server working to handle a test of the "cross-grid" ?
login protocol. It will be more available for testing within ?
a month or two I believe
[2008/03/28 11:40] Dex Trenchcoat: Well put Writer... OS is ?
a neccisary step toward the idea of the Metaverse...
[2008/03/28 11:40] Edwound Wisent: 10 minute is write right ?
rite. so what's left?
[2008/03/28 11:40] Shava Suntzu: no where in that answer did ?
he say that the rumor was false...or did I miss something? :)
[2008/03/28 11:41] LifeFactory Writer: Thanks, Saijanai. ?
No, I think I am not yet qualified to be a part of that ?
group. But I am working on it!
[2008/03/28 11:41] Saijanai Kuhn: ?
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/SLGOGP_Draft_1
[2008/03/28 11:41] Sonja Strom: @ Shava my guess is LL needs ?
to be flexible.
[2008/03/28 11:41] Edwound Wisent: what euro bucks?!
[2008/03/28 11:41] Saijanai Kuhn: If you're a technogeek ?
with ideas about how login should work across an open/meta-?
grid, feel free to contribute to the discussion part of that ?
page
[2008/03/28 11:42] Shava Suntzu: yes, sonja -- but I'm a ?
marketing/PR professional, it always makes me smile when ?
people do that...:)
[2008/03/28 11:42] Edwound Wisent: esperanting labled ?
submnoted profit \sharres as main finance?
[2008/03/28 11:42] Sonja Strom: sure! Well, if you were an ?
attorney...
[2008/03/28 11:43] Saijanai Kuhn: And if you want to be part ?
of the design of the next generation of SL (Zero hates it ?
when I call it SL 2.0), check out this page: ?
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/AW_Groupies
[2008/03/28 11:43] Saijanai Kuhn: /applause
[2008/03/28 11:43] Edwound Wisent: :shrugs:.. Sl... is .. a ?
DISTRACTION.
[2008/03/28 11:43] Klaatu Quintus: tyvm Mitch and Beyers
[2008/03/28 11:43] Edwound Wisent: it is what makes it WORK
[2008/03/28 11:43] Aphilo Aarde: Thank you, Mitch Kapor!
[2008/03/28 11:43] Mattie Melson: /clap
[2008/03/28 11:44] Malburns Writer: Thanks Mitch and all - ?
great as usual
[2008/03/28 11:44] Jarod Godel: Thanks
[2008/03/28 11:44] Robbie Kiama: that was great
[2008/03/28 11:44] Quanta Torok: Thank you Beyers Sellers
[2008/03/28 11:44] Klaatu Quintus: poof
[2008/03/28 11:44] Edwound Wisent: you take that away? PHA! ?
might as well believe YAHOO is anything mre than a spam ?
platform
[2008/03/28 11:44] Sonja Strom: APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEE
[2008/03/28 11:44] Dizzy Banjo: thanks everyone
[2008/03/28 11:44] Klaatu Quintus: ...and Rissa
[2008/03/28 11:44] Klaatu Quintus: ty too
[2008/03/28 11:44] Mary Curtiss: good job Beyers!
[2008/03/28 11:44] Farqot Gustafson: TY Beyers!
[2008/03/28 11:45] Vide Szondi: Thanks Byers
[2008/03/28 11:45] ArtWorld Market: Thanks, Beyers--good ?
one!
[2008/03/28 11:45] Edwound Wisent: thanks mitch for not ?
begging I be forcably ejected for heckling so much
[2008/03/28 11:45] Edwound Wisent: Beyers may need some ?
bayer
[2008/03/28 11:45] Klaatu Quintus: I tried, lol
[2008/03/28 11:45] Edwound Wisent: ASperine.. ?
TylonALLtogether too
[2008/03/28 11:45] ArtWorld Market: Beters, will there be a ?
Metanomics session about the new ToS??
[2008/03/28 11:46] ArtWorld Market: *Beyers
[2008/03/28 11:46] Edwound Wisent: and kiss and mak e robin ?
all happy now, please. just ;part of the show
[2008/03/28 11:46] Saijanai Kuhn: if you're a multi-multi-?
millionaire you might be able to becme an invester
[2008/03/28 11:46] Edwound Wisent: ooph what a headache