Chat Transcript for 04/21/08

[2008/04/21 10:25] JenzZa Misfit: Welcome everyone - we are just doing the pre show set up here

[2008/04/21 10:25] JenzZa Misfit: Gametime is 11 amSL :: *lol*

[2008/04/21 10:25] Yxes Delacroix: ST, are you one of the guests for the show?

[2008/04/21 10:25] Quinn Houston: I hear you

[2008/04/21 10:25] IM: Dahlia Trimble: will the discussion be shown on sltv?

[2008/04/21 10:25] IM: JenzZa Misfit: yes it will Dahlia

[2008/04/21 10:25] IM: Beyers Sellers: http://slcn/tv

[2008/04/21 10:25] IM: JenzZa Misfit: it will be broadcast LIVE

[2008/04/21 10:26] IM: Dahlia Trimble: ty :)

[2008/04/21 10:26] JenzZa Misfit: yay

[2008/04/21 10:26] JenzZa Misfit: looping

[2008/04/21 10:26] Joia Sands: Did anyone attend the Virtual Worlds conference in

New York City? I'm curious how many people attended

[2008/04/21 10:26] JenzZa Misfit: hi LifeFactory ! :)

[2008/04/21 10:26] LifeFactory Writer: Hello JenzZa!

[2008/04/21 10:26] Yxes Delacroix: lost your sound now

[2008/04/21 10:26] ST Mensing: Let me just play with my sound setting here

[2008/04/21 10:26] Yxes Delacroix: ok

[2008/04/21 10:26] LifeFactory Writer: And all others...good morning!

[2008/04/21 10:27] Olando7 Decosta: yes i did attend

[2008/04/21 10:27] JenzZa Misfit: holy buckets ! its Dizzy Banjo !!

[2008/04/21 10:27] LifeFactory Writer: Is anyone having a particularly rough ride

in SL today?

[2008/04/21 10:27] JenzZa Misfit: :)

[2008/04/21 10:27] JenzZa Misfit: back row

[2008/04/21 10:27] Joia Sands: I am LifeFactory :)

[2008/04/21 10:27] Alliez Mysterio: not at all

[2008/04/21 10:27] LifeFactory Writer: Hello again, Joia.

[2008/04/21 10:27] Olando7 Decosta: hi :)

[2008/04/21 10:27] Bjorlyn Loon: best sounds from that man!

[2008/04/21 10:27] JenzZa Misfit: lol. he must still be rezzing

[2008/04/21 10:27] Joia Sands: Olando, about how many people attended? Just

curious

[2008/04/21 10:27] IM: Sloan Skjellerup waves at JenzZa

[2008/04/21 10:27] Olando7 Decosta: about 1 000

[2008/04/21 10:28] JenzZa Misfit: things look nicely centred

[2008/04/21 10:28] Joia Sands: Were the presentations good? I mean, is it worth

going to find notes, etc. on the Web?

[2008/04/21 10:28] Bjorlyn Loon: have you been to the Mexico sim where Dizzy did

the sounds? Ruta Maya? awesome stuff

[2008/04/21 10:28] IM: JenzZa Misfit: Sloan O Rama !

[2008/04/21 10:28] Dizzy Banjo: :D

[2008/04/21 10:28] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: lolol

[2008/04/21 10:28] Hydra Shaftoe: Ok all done with my flea dip!

[2008/04/21 10:28] LifeFactory Writer: Word has it, Dizzy is a celebrity and heart

throb too.

[2008/04/21 10:28] Bjorlyn Loon: anyone wants a LM for that I can throw you one...

[2008/04/21 10:28] Dizzy Banjo: god

[2008/04/21 10:29] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[2008/04/21 10:29] Olando7 Decosta: a lot about kids worlds, which was not really

my cup of tea, but overall interesting yes

[2008/04/21 10:29] LifeFactory Writer: lol! DIz!

[2008/04/21 10:29] Bjorlyn Loon: Im sure Dizzy is too bashful.

[2008/04/21 10:29] Dizzy Banjo discourages all talk like that

[2008/04/21 10:29] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[2008/04/21 10:29] LifeFactory Writer: haha! Just teasing.

[2008/04/21 10:29] Dizzy Banjo: :)

[2008/04/21 10:29] LifeFactory Writer: (psst...but Iheard it is true!)

[2008/04/21 10:29] JenzZa Misfit: indeed !

[2008/04/21 10:29] Joia Sands: SEnd me one, Olando :)

[2008/04/21 10:29] Bjorlyn Loon: its on loo walls all over SL, Diz

[2008/04/21 10:30] Joia Sands: Sorry...I mean, send me a link, Bjorlyn :)

[2008/04/21 10:30] Olando7 Decosta: a pity though there was no track on education

in virtual worlds

[2008/04/21 10:30] Hydra Shaftoe: hehe

[2008/04/21 10:30] Olando7 Decosta: well u find lots of news about it on virutal

worlds news, and one or two pieces on my blog, mixedrealities

[2008/04/21 10:30] Joia Sands: Olando, maybe they feel like that aspect of virtual

worlds is already being used and discussed a lot

[2008/04/21 10:30] Olando7 Decosta: virtual that is

[2008/04/21 10:31] Alliez Mysterio: /I dont hear any

[2008/04/21 10:31] Olando7 Decosta: yes bet when discussing about best practices,

it ought to be mentioned at least

[2008/04/21 10:31] JenzZa Misfit: yay

[2008/04/21 10:31] JenzZa Misfit: :)

[2008/04/21 10:31] Joia Sands: I will check :) I live in NY and was not here

during the conference. I was mostly curious about the number of people and overall

enthusiasm.

[2008/04/21 10:31] Olando7 Decosta: i got not sound at all here

[2008/04/21 10:32] LifeFactory Writer: Nice box, Bjorlyn ;D

[2008/04/21 10:32] JenzZa Misfit: Olando .....we are on voice right now

[2008/04/21 10:32] JenzZa Misfit: do you have voice enabled in SL ?

[2008/04/21 10:32] Olando7 Decosta: I'll check this pc, it is a piece of junk in

the office here

[2008/04/21 10:33] LifeFactory Writer: I have some sort of quirk with my

voice...it engages itself periodically. If someone hears an echo, it is likely me.

So please speak up....the indicator does not show on my screen.

[2008/04/21 10:33] Lehnerd Euler: Is the show going to be streamed in one of the

media channels as well....

[2008/04/21 10:33] Joia Sands: SLTV Lehnerd

[2008/04/21 10:33] JenzZa Misfit: yes .... once the show starts

[2008/04/21 10:33] JenzZa Misfit: ..... you will be able to click on the MUSIC

CONTROL

[2008/04/21 10:33] JenzZa Misfit: and hear the LIVE AUDIO

[2008/04/21 10:33] JenzZa Misfit: but you will want to turn down the volume on

ACTUAL VOICE ...if you do that

[2008/04/21 10:33] Lehnerd Euler: good...rather not have to switch to a windows

client...

[2008/04/21 10:34] Hydra Shaftoe: Skype has a higher bit rate and better sound

quality

[2008/04/21 10:34] Lehnerd Euler: my Linux voice is still a little flaky

[2008/04/21 10:34] Hydra Shaftoe: And it's more stable for people who dont have

their sl bandwidth set properly

[2008/04/21 10:34] JenzZa Misfit: oh yes ... for that special viewer

[2008/04/21 10:34] Joia Sands: I had so much trouble with lag on the last

prsentation, I went home and pulled out a SLCN tv monitor and watched in my SL

house. It was quite nice!

[2008/04/21 10:35] Hydra Shaftoe: Also no problems with distance from the speaker,

or people not knowing how to turn up the speaker since SL defaults to whisper-quiet

[2008/04/21 10:35] Hydra Shaftoe: So I prefer streaming skype

[2008/04/21 10:35] Hydra Shaftoe: Exactly Yxes

[2008/04/21 10:35] JenzZa Misfit: are you going to do that for 2nd Question, Hydra

?

[2008/04/21 10:35] JenzZa Misfit: stream Skype ?

[2008/04/21 10:35] Hydra Shaftoe: yep

[2008/04/21 10:35] JenzZa Misfit: good !

[2008/04/21 10:35] JenzZa Misfit: problem solved :)

[2008/04/21 10:35] Olando7 Decosta: ok I hear u guys

[2008/04/21 10:35] JenzZa Misfit: oh good Olando

[2008/04/21 10:35] JenzZa Misfit: yay

[2008/04/21 10:36] Joia Sands: Thanks Bjorlyn :)

[2008/04/21 10:36] LifeFactory Writer: This lip synch viewer you are

discussing...this is the regular SL viewer with that capability added?

[2008/04/21 10:36] Bjorlyn Loon: welcome Joia, be sure to have your sound on as

you walk around, is pretty incredible

[2008/04/21 10:36] Hydra Shaftoe: I find that for doing live events, streaming

from Skype to SL is vastly superior to using SL voice. variety of factors

[2008/04/21 10:37] LifeFactory Writer: I am sorry...it happens on its own

[2008/04/21 10:38] JenzZa Misfit: I saw this on Xfiles once

[2008/04/21 10:38] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 10:38] Joia Sands: lol JenzZa

[2008/04/21 10:38] Hydra Shaftoe: Morning Mitch

[2008/04/21 10:39] Bjorlyn Loon: lol you can call me BJ

[2008/04/21 10:39] LifeFactory Writer: Bjorlyn...you are a he?

[2008/04/21 10:39] Bjorlyn Loon: Bee-your-lynn

[2008/04/21 10:39] Bjorlyn Loon: lol I told him how... he cheated

[2008/04/21 10:39] JenzZa Misfit: OMG ***********ITS MIKE SPARKS

[2008/04/21 10:40] Bjorlyn Loon: no, Life, Im very female.

[2008/04/21 10:40] Mike Sparks: Just here to do my job, 'mam

[2008/04/21 10:40] JenzZa Misfit: LOLLLL

[2008/04/21 10:40] LifeFactory Writer: I thought so....just thought I heard

someone call you a him! I should not have asked. :/

[2008/04/21 10:40] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 10:40] Bjorlyn Loon: is okay, Life...=)

[2008/04/21 10:40] LifeFactory Writer: Ok. Thanks.

[2008/04/21 10:41] Bjorlyn Loon: lol

[2008/04/21 10:43] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 10:43] Harper Beresford: Mitch is a fashion plate

[2008/04/21 10:43] JenzZa Misfit: :))

[2008/04/21 10:43] JenzZa Misfit: Harper ! weeee !

[2008/04/21 10:44] Hydra Shaftoe: haha

[2008/04/21 10:44] Harper Beresford needs to take Mitch shopping

[2008/04/21 10:44] Mitch Wagner: Hi, Harper. Thanks!

[2008/04/21 10:44] Harper Beresford winks at Mitch

[2008/04/21 10:44] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 10:44] Hydra Shaftoe: morning harper :)

[2008/04/21 10:44] Harper Beresford hrms

[2008/04/21 10:44] Harper Beresford: I am a very tasteful person

[2008/04/21 10:44] Hydra Shaftoe: Harper hooked me up

[2008/04/21 10:44] Hydra Shaftoe: rennisaince frilly clothes!

[2008/04/21 10:44] JenzZa Misfit is going shoppin with Harper !

[2008/04/21 10:45] Harper Beresford: well, I won't do frilly for Mitch

[2008/04/21 10:45] JenzZa Misfit: hey Temporal & Bopete :) hi hi

[2008/04/21 10:45] Harper Beresford: I won't put Rfyre on Mitch unless he wants it

[2008/04/21 10:45] Wiz Nordberg: Yes JenzZ.... i still haven't taken my flippers

off since Farq's party :)

[2008/04/21 10:45] JenzZa Misfit: wiz ? you have fins on ? its OK ..but

[2008/04/21 10:45] JenzZa Misfit: ah ok

[2008/04/21 10:45] JenzZa Misfit: you do know it

[2008/04/21 10:45] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 10:45] Movies1963 Beck: I'm here.....what more could Beyers ask for?:)

[2008/04/21 10:46] Hydra Shaftoe: Farqot's party was fun :)

[2008/04/21 10:46] Wiz Nordberg: keeps me from falling over i find

[2008/04/21 10:46] Mitch Wagner: What is Rfyre, Harper? Or sdo I not want to know?

[2008/04/21 10:46] JenzZa Misfit: LOLLLL

[2008/04/21 10:46] Wiz Nordberg: and it's great for when a sim disappears

[2008/04/21 10:46] Hydra Shaftoe: RFyre = wesome clothes and a date with harper

[2008/04/21 10:46] Hydra Shaftoe: hahahaha

[2008/04/21 10:46] JenzZa Misfit: well yes true! perhaps snail flippers would be

in order

[2008/04/21 10:46] Harper Beresford: RFyre is Raven Pennyfeather's clothing and I

work for her as her business manager

[2008/04/21 10:46] JenzZa Misfit: Squeek! =^-^=

[2008/04/21 10:46] Mitch Wagner: Soulds splendid!

[2008/04/21 10:46] Harper Beresford: thanks Hydra

[2008/04/21 10:46] Harper Beresford laughs

[2008/04/21 10:46] Harper Beresford: it's nice goth

[2008/04/21 10:47] Hydra Shaftoe: Well I never wear shirts so...

[2008/04/21 10:47] EvansMom Goodspeed loves rfyre's clothing!

[2008/04/21 10:47] Harper Beresford: thanks EvansMom ~Smiles~

[2008/04/21 10:47] Hydra Shaftoe: hehehe

[2008/04/21 10:47] Wiz Nordberg: SORRY!

[2008/04/21 10:47] JenzZa Misfit: http://media-us-

2.soundreach.net:8811/metanomics_show.mp3

[2008/04/21 10:48] Harper Beresford: um, ouch?

[2008/04/21 10:48] LifeFactory Writer: It's Not me!!

[2008/04/21 10:48] JenzZa Misfit: it does sound robotic

[2008/04/21 10:49] Harper Beresford: he sounds a little tin cannish

[2008/04/21 10:49] Harper Beresford: ST

[2008/04/21 10:49] Hydra Shaftoe: Can&String

[2008/04/21 10:49] JenzZa Misfit: ....ST sounded mechanical

[2008/04/21 10:49] Joia Sands: How do we turn up individual sounds for the

speakers

[2008/04/21 10:49] JenzZa Misfit: *** down by the TALK button to the left

[2008/04/21 10:49] Harper Beresford: it's a little echoey, ST

[2008/04/21 10:49] Hydra Shaftoe: Joia - button next to talk light in bottom right

[2008/04/21 10:49] JenzZa Misfit: ***click that chat bubble to adjust each

speakers volume

[2008/04/21 10:49] Hydra Shaftoe: slider bar on individual names

[2008/04/21 10:50] IYan Writer: hey all

[2008/04/21 10:50] Poid Mahovlich: /ao off

[2008/04/21 10:50] JenzZa Misfit: oooo ! david bowie * sitting in a tin can

.........**

[2008/04/21 10:50] Nava Muni: brb

[2008/04/21 10:50] Harper Beresford: hi iYan and Poid ~Smiles~

[2008/04/21 10:50] JenzZa Misfit: but i digress ......

[2008/04/21 10:50] Joia Sands: thanks :)

[2008/04/21 10:50] Poid Mahovlich: Hi Harper :)0

[2008/04/21 10:50] Robbie Kiama: Hello Everybody

[2008/04/21 10:50] JenzZa Misfit: ....get it Joia ?

[2008/04/21 10:50] JenzZa Misfit: hi Robbie :)

[2008/04/21 10:50] Bopete Yossarian: Hi Robbie :-)

[2008/04/21 10:50] Bjorlyn Loon: hi Poid =)

[2008/04/21 10:50] Hydra Shaftoe: Woo just got the newspaper. my article got

published today in the city news!

[2008/04/21 10:51] Bjorlyn Loon: hi IYan!

[2008/04/21 10:51] JenzZa Misfit shouts: ***If you are not on the panel today

***be sure our mic is muted ****

[2008/04/21 10:51] IYan Writer: good job Hydra!

[2008/04/21 10:51] iAlja Writer: hi everyone ^^

[2008/04/21 10:51] IYan Writer: hey Bjorlyn :)

[2008/04/21 10:51] Joia Sands: yes, thaks

[2008/04/21 10:51] Alliez Mysterio: /wtg Hydra

[2008/04/21 10:51] Bjorlyn Loon: wooo hoo, Hydra, do you have a url?

[2008/04/21 10:51] JenzZa Misfit shouts: your mic * even

[2008/04/21 10:51] EvansMom Goodspeed waves to iYan

[2008/04/21 10:51] EvansMom Goodspeed: howdy!

[2008/04/21 10:51] IYan Writer: EvansMom, good to see you again!

[2008/04/21 10:52] Tarilyn Staheli: will this be broadcast on the music channel as

well?

[2008/04/21 10:52] Hydra Shaftoe: I sent in an article about placement of schools

being too far from population centers, and that being no foresight to rising fuel

costs. schools need to be built closer to communities, not 40 miles out in the

boonies. they wanted to publish it immediately

[2008/04/21 10:52] Joia Sands: Grats Hydra :)

[2008/04/21 10:52] Beyers Sellers: yes, tarilyn

[2008/04/21 10:53] Bjorlyn Loon: that's great work, Hydra... and so true! Yaay for

urban infill.

[2008/04/21 10:53] Tarilyn Staheli: thank you beyers =)

[2008/04/21 10:53] Beyers Sellers: if you click the music btn now, you get jazz

[2008/04/21 10:53] JohnHenry Ames: Hello

[2008/04/21 10:53] Beyers Sellers: later, me )

[2008/04/21 10:53] NZTech HearExtender 3.0 Radar HUD [script:NZTech HearExtender

3: Script run-time error

[2008/04/21 10:53] NZTech HearExtender 3.0 Radar HUD [script:NZTech HearExtender

3: Too Many Listens

[2008/04/21 10:53] Ozzy Wozniak: hi :D

[2008/04/21 10:53] Joia Sands: Hi Ozzy. I was watching you work for a while this

morning :)

[2008/04/21 10:53] Nite Zelmanov: Good day all

[2008/04/21 10:54] Bjorlyn Loon: hey Nite! Hi Chaoman

[2008/04/21 10:54] Ozzy Wozniak: hey Joia ;)

[2008/04/21 10:54] JenzZa Misfit shouts: / *** Remember ::: join us tomorrow at 3

PM SL --- for the rebroadcast of today's show and lively discussion - at Metanomics

Rewind on Muse Isle *** woot woot & woot ! ***

[2008/04/21 10:54] IM: Media Hax: very quiet here?

[2008/04/21 10:54] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 10:54] Hydra Shaftoe: hahaha

[2008/04/21 10:54] IM: Harper Beresford: yes, we are all workign elsewhere

[2008/04/21 10:54] Hydra Shaftoe: !!!!!!!!

[2008/04/21 10:54] JenzZa Misfit: LOL

[2008/04/21 10:54] Aphilo Aarde: What are people's favorite Metanomics talks -

one's you have returned to? URL?

[2008/04/21 10:54] Hydra Shaftoe: Bird cant catch me!

[2008/04/21 10:54] IM: Tammy Nowotny: the event is at CMP 3, not Muse Isle

[2008/04/21 10:55] JenzZa Misfit: the early bird gets the Hydra !

[2008/04/21 10:55] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 10:55] IM: Media Hax: what about backchat?

[2008/04/21 10:55] LifeFactory Writer: it's not me!

[2008/04/21 10:55] IM: Joia Sands: Media there is chat going on, just still

preparing

[2008/04/21 10:55] Nava Muni: brb

[2008/04/21 10:55] IM: Malburns Writer: Hi all

[2008/04/21 10:55] IM: Media Hax: kk

[2008/04/21 10:55] Hydra Shaftoe: I actually called BioCorp (Owners of the

Astroglide personal lubricant brand) this morning and asked them to sponsor my

racing snail in the next American Cancer Society event. they loved the idea ;)

[2008/04/21 10:55] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: Malburns.. hi ya

[2008/04/21 10:55] gwampa Lomu: ummm, take the MEDIA out in the estate media URL

[2008/04/21 10:55] IM: Joia Sands: Media, I think most is happening in the Local

channel

[2008/04/21 10:55] Harper Beresford: oh good God, Hydra

[2008/04/21 10:55] Hydra Shaftoe: Going to send them some details this afternoon

and $1000 for charity haha

[2008/04/21 10:55] Harper Beresford: evansmom, is your mic open?

[2008/04/21 10:56] Hydra Shaftoe grins

[2008/04/21 10:56] IM: Aphilo Aarde: What are people's favorite Metanomics talks -

one's you have returned to? URL?

[2008/04/21 10:56] Hydra Shaftoe: Hey it's a SNAIL! What better sponsor? ;)

[2008/04/21 10:56] Bjorlyn Loon: Aphilo, I liked the one on Federal Agencies with

Aimee Weber and Universa Vanaltern

[2008/04/21 10:56] Poid Mahovlich: ha Life :P

[2008/04/21 10:56] Harper Beresford: she got it

[2008/04/21 10:56] Aphilo Aarde: thx bjorlyn

[2008/04/21 10:56] Aphilo Aarde: URL?

[2008/04/21 10:56] Bjorlyn Loon: sec

[2008/04/21 10:57] Bjorlyn Loon: http://www.slcn.tv/metanomics-federal-agencies-sl

[2008/04/21 10:57] Aphilo Aarde: thx

[2008/04/21 10:57] Joia Sands: Aphilo, you can get them on SLCN.tv :)

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hi everyone!

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Sloan Skjellerup shoots spitballs at Harper

[2008/04/21 10:57] Aphilo Aarde: other fascinating ones?

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Hi Bevan

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Sonja Strom: hi Bevan!

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Malburns Writer: Hi Bevan

[2008/04/21 10:57] Aphilo Aarde: thx joia

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Harper Beresford: ouch..!

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hey guys!

[2008/04/21 10:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Couldn't find script MystiTool Anti Idle

1.0.1

[2008/04/21 10:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Couldn't find script MystiTool Bug

Scanner 1.0.1

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Tara Yeats: Hi Bevan

[2008/04/21 10:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Couldn't find script MystiTool Collision

Detector 1.0.1

[2008/04/21 10:57] Joia Sands: hey Bevan

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: Helllooooo Bevan!

[2008/04/21 10:57] Hydra Shaftoe hears jazz

[2008/04/21 10:57] IM: Harper Beresford digs in her hair for spitballs..

[2008/04/21 10:57] IYan Writer: aphilo: the two bank ban ones were very

interesting

[2008/04/21 10:58] Pollywog Gardenvale: good morning!

[2008/04/21 10:58] EvansMom Goodspeed blushes and apologizes to the group

[2008/04/21 10:58] IM: Bevan Whitfield: you missed one Harper...

[2008/04/21 10:58] Aphilo Aarde: thx IYan, urls?

[2008/04/21 10:58] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: oooh, I'm in trouble now!

[2008/04/21 10:58] Bjorlyn Loon waves at Capt Blinker.

[2008/04/21 10:58] IM: Harper Beresford: hi Bevan :)

[2008/04/21 10:58] Dahlia Trimble: wheres the gorilla?

[2008/04/21 10:58] IM: Wiz Nordberg: ok, music will be fading down for "show

ready"

[2008/04/21 10:58] Mitch Wagner: Good morning, Polly.

[2008/04/21 10:58] IM: Bevan Whitfield: I'll be there in a minute, I have

demonslayer in my living room....hmmm

[2008/04/21 10:58] IM: Harper Beresford: TMI Bevan

[2008/04/21 10:59] Stargazer Blazer: Is ths in voice?

[2008/04/21 10:59] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: "demonslayer" ... hmmm

[2008/04/21 10:59] IM: Bevan Whitfield: Well, he looks safe enough...oh I have

been to to leave the area, the troops are coming

[2008/04/21 10:59] IM: Bevan Whitfield: oh dear

[2008/04/21 10:59] Mitch Wagner: Yes, Star.

[2008/04/21 10:59] Joia Sands: B∟Chaoman, you are in my chair :)

[2008/04/21 10:59] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hahhaha

[2008/04/21 11:00] Harper Beresford: can Star access this some other way as well?

[2008/04/21 11:00] Joia Sands: Well, your feet are anyway :)

[2008/04/21 11:00] Mitch Wagner: I think it will also be available on the music

stream.

[2008/04/21 11:00] Mitch Wagner: But not yet.

[2008/04/21 11:00] IM: Malburns Writer: is there a gorilla on stage today?

[2008/04/21 11:00] IM: Tammy Nowotny: sorry Harper

[2008/04/21 11:00] Stargazer Blazer: Oh, I can hear, I am just asking if it is in

voice.

[2008/04/21 11:00] Mitch Wagner: We haven't started yet.

[2008/04/21 11:00] Ima Ideator: I have the same issue as Beyers..no video option

[2008/04/21 11:00] IM: Tara Yeats: LOL Mal

[2008/04/21 11:00] Mitch Wagner: Yes, Star. IT's in voice.

[2008/04/21 11:00] IM: Harper Beresford: 'bout what, Tammy?

[2008/04/21 11:00] IM: Bevan Whitfield: I'll grab some bananas from the kitchen...

[2008/04/21 11:00] Ariel Miranda: /mg suspend

[2008/04/21 11:00] Stargazer Blazer: ah, it is.

[2008/04/21 11:01] IM: Prim Forager: hi Sloan ;)

[2008/04/21 11:01] JenzZa Misfit shouts: / *** The live audio will be on the music

stream *** you are best to turn the volume slider for VOICE .. all the way down (

to the left ) and just listen on the music stream ***

[2008/04/21 11:01] IM: Tammy Nowotny: I thoughtm maybe I had srpeedd on you

[2008/04/21 11:01] Texas Timtam: We've just faded down the music

[2008/04/21 11:01] IM: Harper Beresford: bah.. it's just pixels

[2008/04/21 11:01] JimmyJet Fossett: Yes, Bjorlyn, the fed agencies in SL was a

great Metanomics event, which lets me 'plug' an Fed VW Expo this week, of which I

am assisting our U.S. Dept. of Energy with a SL session at Cisco Sim 2 starting at

7:15 SLT Hope some of thoseinterested in Solar Energy show up . IM me for details

[2008/04/21 11:02] JenzZa Misfit: / ok ....GOOD SOUND

[2008/04/21 11:02] IM: Temporal Mitra: Early question for the Gartner

guy....gartner has stated that SL does not have enough to offer to continue to grow

past 2009...I would like to know what inside word they have on the future plans of

LL that they have that they are basing that information on....their article

basically stated that there were issues with video cards...and with the platform

reliability...and recommended that corporate america use other solutions like the

SONY Home system to interact in a 3d format...

[2008/04/21 11:02] JohnHenry Ames: Is there voice chat available?

[2008/04/21 11:02] JenzZa Misfit shouts: / no JohnHenry .... we need you to keep

your mic muted please

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: LifeFactory Writer: Everyone but Beyers sounds very

hot....is this so for anyone else?

[2008/04/21 11:03] JohnHenry Ames: ok, but can we hear you via voice?

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: IYan Writer: did you mean "looks" hot Life? ;-)

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: JenzZa Misfit: try adjusting

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: Enigma Bombay: I can't hear anybody... is the stream

running?

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: JenzZa Misfit: each speakers volume LifeF

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: JenzZa Misfit: stream isnt live YET

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: LifeFactory Writer: :) No no....I did not Iyan, but of

course he does. :)

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Beyers ditched the Gorrilla look, LOL!

[2008/04/21 11:03] IM: TJ Asp: Enigma.... it's in VOICE

[2008/04/21 11:04] IM: Enigma Bombay: TY TJ... I thought they said they would run

it in the music stream... :)

[2008/04/21 11:04] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hi JenZza, LifeFactory, IYan

[2008/04/21 11:04] Hydra Shaftoe: Wolves are so much better

[2008/04/21 11:04] Mitch Wagner: Yes, John. Voice chat is available.

[2008/04/21 11:04] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Ha!

[2008/04/21 11:04] Temporal Mitra: will the voice be done on the music stream as

well?

[2008/04/21 11:04] Farqot Gustafson: JenzZa, when does the Music stream come on?

[2008/04/21 11:04] Alliez Mysterio: /its on

[2008/04/21 11:04] IM: Bevan Whitfield: oh JimmyJet, you made it!

[2008/04/21 11:04] Roaming Nightfire: no its not

[2008/04/21 11:04] Christoph Kohnke is hearing them

[2008/04/21 11:04] JenzZa Misfit: ** Voice will be on the stream when we go

LIVE***

[2008/04/21 11:04] Lovely Person: Hello all!

[2008/04/21 11:04] IM: LifeFactory Writer: Actually my camera is not on Beyers,

and speakers are fairly low. But if it is only an issue on my end, that is all

that is important.

[2008/04/21 11:05] Farqot Gustafson: Thanks!

[2008/04/21 11:05] JenzZa Misfit: /***WE ARE LIVE ::: ON THE STREAM ****

[2008/04/21 11:05] Bevan Whitfield: hi everyone!

[2008/04/21 11:05] JenzZa Misfit: / hi Bevan !!!

[2008/04/21 11:05] iAlja Writer: hey Bev

[2008/04/21 11:05] IYan Writer: *wave*

[2008/04/21 11:05] Lincoln Beck: hello everyone :)

[2008/04/21 11:05] Bevan Whitfield: hi IAlja!

[2008/04/21 11:05] Bevan Whitfield: waves back

[2008/04/21 11:05] EvansMom Goodspeed: two people are talking at once

[2008/04/21 11:05] Robbie Kiama: yay JenzZa

[2008/04/21 11:05] EvansMom Goodspeed: on the stream

[2008/04/21 11:06] Bevan Whitfield gets binoculars out to scan the crowd

[2008/04/21 11:06] Bevan Whitfield: hi Robbie!

[2008/04/21 11:06] Robbie Kiama: Hi Bevan

[2008/04/21 11:06] Quinn Houston: lost audio

[2008/04/21 11:06] BigMike Bukowski: /blush

[2008/04/21 11:06] IM: Temporal Mitra: and I'd like to thank my mother...and my

father...and my first meeting mentor...that taught me that having a meeting on

monday, was a great way to start off my week

[2008/04/21 11:06] EvansMom Goodspeed: never mind

[2008/04/21 11:06] BigMike Bukowski: /i swear i didn't think it was a pairl fools

joke.

[2008/04/21 11:06] Quinn Houston: back

[2008/04/21 11:06] Endy's HUDDLES v1.2.0: Couldn't find animation back-arched

[2008/04/21 11:06] Endy's HUDDLES v1.2.0: Couldn't find animation back-arched

[2008/04/21 11:06] Stargazer Blazer: HOw do we turn down the video feed?

[2008/04/21 11:06] IM: Harper Beresford laughs at Temporal

[2008/04/21 11:06] Texas Timtam: EvansMom, either listen on the stream OR the SL

Voice - you are probly hearing both

[2008/04/21 11:06] IM: Billzy Low: lol

[2008/04/21 11:06] JenzZa Misfit: / ****if you lose audio ** click it off and back

on again ...there may be some gaps from time to time due to lag ,etc

[2008/04/21 11:06] IM: Bevan Whitfield: lol Temp

[2008/04/21 11:07] IM: Media Hax: love the gray lagging lady in background

[2008/04/21 11:07] JenzZa Misfit: / YAY Bjorlyn !!

[2008/04/21 11:07] Robbie Kiama: Who is breathiing heavily?

[2008/04/21 11:07] IYan Writer: I <3 Science Friday

[2008/04/21 11:07] Bjorlyn Loon: lots of us are here today! thanks Beyers!

[2008/04/21 11:07] Robbie Kiama: Drew - it's your mic

[2008/04/21 11:07] Temporal Mitra: I am robbie...but only because I am eating

oreos...

[2008/04/21 11:07] Dizzy Banjo: Hey Drew its your mic

[2008/04/21 11:08] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[2008/04/21 11:08] Robbie Kiama: :)

[2008/04/21 11:08] IM: Dahlia Trimble: slcn.tv has the wrong show on :(

[2008/04/21 11:08] IM: IYan Writer: More Metanomics: http://metanomics.net/ ,

FaceBook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11010369679 , twitter:

http://twitter.com/Metanomics

[2008/04/21 11:08] IYan Writer: More Metanomics: http://metanomics.net/ , FaceBook

group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11010369679 , twitter:

http://twitter.com/Metanomics

[2008/04/21 11:08] Camelia Despres: higher please

[2008/04/21 11:08] IM: Malburns Writer: Fine here - r u sure yopu are on SLCN live

channel?

[2008/04/21 11:09] Bevan Whitfield: ty IYan

[2008/04/21 11:09] Bevan Whitfield: Hey Uncle Dizzy!

[2008/04/21 11:09] IM: CeAire Decosta: Need a place to sit? Rockcliffe Unveristy

is an event partner for today's Metanomics discussion! We have plenty of seats,

pizza and liquid refreshment ....come hang out with the Rockcliffe community! Here

is the slurl: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rockcliffe%20I/150/224/69

[2008/04/21 11:10] Joia Sands: I had great audio before the broadcast and now it

is breaking up badly

[2008/04/21 11:10] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hi CeAire!

[2008/04/21 11:10] You decline CMP 4 - Hosting Life 2.0 Summit , CMP 4 (4, 248,

24) from A group member named Beyers Sellers.

[2008/04/21 11:10] IM: CeAire Decosta: Howdy!

[2008/04/21 11:10] IM: Media Hax: LMAO at Mitch !!!!

[2008/04/21 11:10] IM: IYan Writer: :)

[2008/04/21 11:10] Dizzy Banjo: is it me or are there loads of unnecessary

particles in this location ?

[2008/04/21 11:11] Tarilyn Staheli: dizzy, i found it better once i turned off

particles =P

[2008/04/21 11:11] Aimee Trescothick: well, i don't think you're unecessary, so

must be the particles :D

[2008/04/21 11:11] Dizzy Banjo: they should just delete them. lol

[2008/04/21 11:11] JimmyJet Fossett: Oh goodness, DO name names!

[2008/04/21 11:11] Dizzy Banjo: lol well thanks Aimee..

[2008/04/21 11:11] IM: Media Hax: He mentioned NONE of that in the hit peice they

wrote...

[2008/04/21 11:13] Klaatu Quintus: ...can you say Quaq, Forterra....

[2008/04/21 11:13] IM: Temporal Mitra: So...gartner groups seems to base their

notion that SL will fail on a technical standpoint....and Info week is basing

theirs on bad business decisions from LL...I tend to agree with the Info week

viewpoint...

[2008/04/21 11:14] Reed Steamroller: how are they supposed to find the bugs

without testing it on the main grid?

[2008/04/21 11:14] Hydra Shaftoe is hardcore into eve online

[2008/04/21 11:14] IYan Writer: reed: was that sarcastic?

[2008/04/21 11:14] Reed Steamroller: no

[2008/04/21 11:15] IYan Writer: there is a beta grid

[2008/04/21 11:15] Bevan Whitfield: hey Hydra

[2008/04/21 11:15] Reed Steamroller: it was obvious

[2008/04/21 11:15] Temporal Mitra: used to be called the beta grid...

[2008/04/21 11:15] Roaming Nightfire: thats what release candidate junk is for

[2008/04/21 11:15] IM: Media Hax: LMAO.. MICROSOFT!!! every heard of VISTA

[2008/04/21 11:15] Joia Sands: Temporal, the issue for businesses is not just

platform, but also authentication and data security. They can't do serious business

activities when it can be hacked.

[2008/04/21 11:15] JenzZa Misfit: / ....beta grid is not a true test though ......

its not full of prims & people

[2008/04/21 11:15] IM: Venus Jervil: Hello all, is it just me, or is there a ghost

voice too? :-)

[2008/04/21 11:15] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hi Venus

[2008/04/21 11:16] Roaming Nightfire: me too

[2008/04/21 11:16] Dizzy Banjo: yes but SL is bigger than LL.. it progresses

through user participation in the development process.. there development process

relies on user input

[2008/04/21 11:16] Nite Zelmanov: Joia: It's more fundamental than that. It's

still hard to reliably accept money OR deliver good

[2008/04/21 11:16] Aimee Trescothick: A candidate for almost being ready to be

beta for a release candidate

[2008/04/21 11:16] IYan Writer: most of the testing is on one sim anyway

[2008/04/21 11:16] Nava Muni: does that mean Vista is alpha-level software?

[2008/04/21 11:16] IM: CeAire Decosta: All plans go out the window when they are

actually implemented. That's an old saying.

[2008/04/21 11:16] Aldon Huffhines: "What we have hear, is a failure to

communicate"

[2008/04/21 11:16] Bevan Whitfield: lol Aldon

[2008/04/21 11:16] IYan Writer: aldon: "some men, you just can't reach"

[2008/04/21 11:16] Alaya Kumaki: yes , this the mains point , we are part of the

developpement, by using it

[2008/04/21 11:16] Jim Brock: aren't we experiencing this expediated release

because LL is pressured to split the backgrid from the game (releasing server code)

?

[2008/04/21 11:16] Nite Zelmanov: Joia: Data security be damned if you can't

exchagne goods for money yet. Now as a L$ positive member, I'm not claiming that

you can't exchange goods for money, but it's very unreliable

[2008/04/21 11:16] Joia Sands: Yes, NIte, that is really what I meant by security,

too.

[2008/04/21 11:16] Temporal Mitra: then you think that their big issue with the

release candidate is that they are calling it the wrong thing?...they should call

it a beta debug version?

[2008/04/21 11:16] Bjorlyn Loon: would love to see the url for the three

challenges.... anyone have that?

[2008/04/21 11:16] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: would love to see the url for the three

challenges.... anyone have that?

[2008/04/21 11:16] Taku Fizir: / beta grid needs more people, for good testing.

Maybe events should be promoted there to draw a crowd and create a load for

testing.

[2008/04/21 11:17] Chaoman Aeon: how, that's loud

[2008/04/21 11:17] Chaoman Aeon: yow*

[2008/04/21 11:17] Tarilyn Staheli: thank you mitch, that's exactly how i've felt

about LL's release strategy (or lack thereof)

[2008/04/21 11:17] Lovely Person: yes :-)

[2008/04/21 11:17] Alaya Kumaki: and all the crashes report according the

materials of the users are also a very good comunication excahnges for the

elaboration of the product

[2008/04/21 11:17] IM: JenzZa Misfit: .... we tested for months on the beta grid

havok4 --- good of course to a degree ....but doesnt represent the true SL

conditions --- full of people and prims

[2008/04/21 11:17] IM: IYan Writer: jen: it's a per sim test - spam 100 slLB bots

and rez 15,000 of cubes - voila

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: CeAire Decosta: And all the ways that folks use prims and

operating conditions.

[2008/04/21 11:18] Lovely Person: I keep freezing up too, only justgot chat

working!

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Well all that means is that we have more

people that like to complain than those that like to test :D

[2008/04/21 11:18] Libbi Timeless: oopsie

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: Venus Jervil: Hi Bevan!

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: IYan Writer: but the bigger problem are the asset servers -

there they could really use some clustering

[2008/04/21 11:18] Roaming Nightfire: sounds like they should talk to IBM -- RAS

was everything

[2008/04/21 11:18] Alaya Kumaki: maybe they should

[2008/04/21 11:18] Libbi Timeless: lol

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Second Life claims to only have 250

employees, which is not many to operate a Metaverse. Scaling is an issue.

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ..IYan....we were there with limited time to

test scripts .... but your idea is noted * scribble *

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: I like to test!

[2008/04/21 11:18] Temporal Mitra: notes that the sims didnt ever meet the needs

of the enterprise user either...but was either platform DESIGNED to be for

enterprise users in its current incarnation?

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: Troy McLuhan: A new architecture is in the works

[2008/04/21 11:18] IM: IYan Writer: jen: LL should test that..

[2008/04/21 11:19] Alaya Kumaki: vista is a n example

[2008/04/21 11:19] Movies1963 Beck: Mitch could it be that the falling out between

Cory and Philip which resulted in Cory leaving and then very shortly there after

Philip dramiticly on his own rez day resigning has CEO is nothing more then smoke

and mirrors so that some "deep pokect" invester can then slowly put in place a new

CEO?

[2008/04/21 11:19] IM: Tammy Nowotny: audio can be herad at: http://media-us-

2.soundreach.net:8811/metanomics_show.mp3

[2008/04/21 11:19] IM: IYan Writer: it's a bit weird they don't have redundant

asset servers

[2008/04/21 11:19] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: it is interesting that while it isnt meeting

the needs of enterprise users, it does seem to be meeting community needs in many

ways, consumer needs... will a shift of whole communities to new platforms be so

daunting that it overrides the downside on for commercial enterprises?

[2008/04/21 11:19] IM: Movies1963 Beck: Mitch could it be that the falling out

between Cory and Philip which resulted in Cory leaving and then very shortly there

after Philip dramiticly on his own rez day resigning has CEO is nothing more then

smoke and mirrors so that some "deep pokect" invester can then slowly put in place

a new CEO?

[2008/04/21 11:19] IM: IYan Writer: cory was fired, apparently

[2008/04/21 11:20] IM: Farqot Gustafson: Don't we enough 'clusters' at the moment?

[2008/04/21 11:20] Dizzy Banjo: i agree Temporal.. i dont think SL has been

developed for enterprise level clients.. until very recently.. which may be a new

goal, but frankly LL are too interested in wacky new stuff :D.. personally i find

that more exciting than using the "microsoft" of virtual worlds

[2008/04/21 11:20] JenzZa Misfit: / hello .... paranoia hotline .. may I help you

? ... lol

[2008/04/21 11:20] IM: Billzy Low: "Shades of visicalc".. memorable.

[2008/04/21 11:20] IM: Aldon Huffhines: What about virtual worlds like Club

Penquin, Club Barbie, Club MTV... They all seem to be doing much better than SL

[2008/04/21 11:21] IM: IYan Writer: farqot: not if the SL backend wiki is correct.

it has text like "if it fails, we have to restore the volume from backup" etc - i

should be clustered, load-balanced and hot-switchable - no single point of failure

[2008/04/21 11:21] Ida Recreant: Is a virtual world for education different than

one for other enterprises?

[2008/04/21 11:21] Klaatu Quintus: Anyone see the irony of Mitch Kapor in this?

[2008/04/21 11:21] Nava Muni: Dizzy - what is this "... wacky new stuff ...?"

[2008/04/21 11:21] IM: Temporal Mitra: And...if Second Life was not designed to be

an environment for the enterprise user in the first place....does it make sense for

gartner group, which by it's own definition of itself ONLY reviews enterprise tools

for enterprise customers, to even review it in the first place?

[2008/04/21 11:21] IM: Cindy Ecksol: define "doing much better than SL"....

[2008/04/21 11:21] IM: Tammy Nowotny: I am wondering if they are being smart about

which users to give priority to... although I am not anti-adfarmer, I had a minor

runin with an adfarmer which the Lindens were odddly aggressive about, on the

adfarmer's side

[2008/04/21 11:21] Roaming Nightfire: the name sucks

[2008/04/21 11:21] IM: Tammy Nowotny: for a minor example

[2008/04/21 11:22] Dizzy Banjo: Nava : stuff that tends to bork.. probably because

its hard to do

[2008/04/21 11:22] Taku Fizir: / My issue with "loads of development tools" - the

tools for offline use (the good stuff, like Poser or GIMP) have problems importing

into SL. The problems seem to be on the SL side.

[2008/04/21 11:22] Aldon Huffhines: Which name sucks? QWAQ or Second Life?

[2008/04/21 11:22] IM: CeAire Decosta: In Qwac I look like a gingerbread person

except square.

[2008/04/21 11:22] Roaming Nightfire: qwack

[2008/04/21 11:22] Taku Fizir: / other than those tools, I wonder what "loads of

tools" he's referring to?

[2008/04/21 11:22] Nava Muni: hmm. ok.

[2008/04/21 11:22] IM: Tammy Nowotny: another sound URL:

http://udoshoutcast3.biz.tm:8088/listen.pls

[2008/04/21 11:22] JenzZa Misfit: ..... well THERE YOU GO ::: the tools

[2008/04/21 11:22] Robbie Kiama: lol @Roaming :)

[2008/04/21 11:22] Roaming Nightfire: i should go to my CEO and say, "I want to

have a meeing on quack?"

[2008/04/21 11:22] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: Qwac is Whack!

[2008/04/21 11:23] Alliez Mysterio: /Poser hopes to become more user friendly to

SL

[2008/04/21 11:23] Tammy Nowotny: how about OpenOffice?

[2008/04/21 11:23] JenzZa Misfit: so see ... something like that ... is a world

away from .. * VIRTUAL LIFE * .. which is what most of us are doing

[2008/04/21 11:23] IM: Media Hax: What platform did he say this is?

[2008/04/21 11:23] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: oops, sorry ... that was the rong qwac

[2008/04/21 11:23] Richard Meiklejohn: /qwaq is nice, but they need to get their

marketing sorted - it took them three days to send me a link to the demo download

[2008/04/21 11:23] IM: Troy McLuhan: Qwaq

[2008/04/21 11:23] IM: Bjorlyn Loon is trying to visualize, CeAire. *and gets

hungry for cookies*

[2008/04/21 11:23] Aldon Huffhines: Roaming, and you'lll have better luck asking

them to have a meeting in "Second Life"?

[2008/04/21 11:23] IM: Temporal Mitra: And...if Second Life was not designed to be

an environment for the enterprise user in the first place....does it make sense for

gartner group, which by it's own definition of itself ONLY reviews enterprise tools

for enterprise customers, to even review it in the first place?...isnt that like a

company that specializes in reviewing passenger jets, reviewing a biplane, and

stating how poorly the biplane performs as a passenger aircraft?

[2008/04/21 11:23] Hydra Shaftoe would be more like "Hey I have a way to save us

thousands of dollars a year in travel expenses!"

[2008/04/21 11:23] IM: CeAire Decosta: LOL Bjorlyn!!

[2008/04/21 11:23] Aldon Huffhines: QWAQ is nicely integrated...

[2008/04/21 11:23] Roaming Nightfire: the concept is just what i need, though. and

yes, i have not had success with SL either.

[2008/04/21 11:23] JenzZa Misfit: I am not going dancing with an oompa loompah

body and my own RL head ! *lol*

[2008/04/21 11:23] Aldon Huffhines: Based on open source software....

[2008/04/21 11:24] IM: Sonja Strom: The Queen West Art Crawl?

[2008/04/21 11:24] Janet Albanese: And what did it take to put today's meeting

together?

[2008/04/21 11:24] Aldon Huffhines: Open Croquet.... Open Office...

[2008/04/21 11:24] Roaming Nightfire: all i had to do is show someone running

around nekkid, and that was it

[2008/04/21 11:24] IM: Chimera Cosmos: Raph has a vested interest :-)

[2008/04/21 11:24] Richard Meiklejohn: /yeah, Qwaq document integration is the

nicest part of it

[2008/04/21 11:24] Tammy Nowotny: I sued to work for a company where the frontline

supervisors were all "Quacks" (for Quality Assusrance Coordinators)

[2008/04/21 11:24] Roaming Nightfire: but i need something like qwaq

[2008/04/21 11:24] Hydra Shaftoe thinks that sounds kinda boring

[2008/04/21 11:24] Roaming Nightfire: netmeeting?

[2008/04/21 11:24] Joia Sands: Most buinesses, though, are stisll using

proprietary aplications, not open source

[2008/04/21 11:25] IM: Cindy Ecksol: exactly my point, temporal -- how do we

define "success" for SL -- or for other platforms?

[2008/04/21 11:25] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: yeah, Temporal, though I think that the

enterprise segment is crucial, I also wonder about how we tend to undervalue the

consumer that has a home in virtual worlds.

[2008/04/21 11:25] IM: Sonja Strom: http://torontoist.com/2005/09/qwac_qwac.php

[2008/04/21 11:25] EvansMom Goodspeed agrees with hyrda

[2008/04/21 11:25] EvansMom Goodspeed: hydra even!

[2008/04/21 11:25] Alaya Kumaki: ya

[2008/04/21 11:25] Roaming Nightfire: Sametime meeiing place

[2008/04/21 11:25] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: enterprise will go where the market is, not

where it is easy

[2008/04/21 11:25] IM: Temporal Mitra: another point...gartner is forecasting 21

months into the future....let's look 21 months BACK in time...when SL had around a

half million residents...half the sims they do now...half the features they do now.

Then take into account the progress SL has made in the last 21 months...the

growth...the changes to the platform and policy that is Second Life. If Linden Labs

stopped developing SL tomorrow...then Gartner would be correct...but they are

trying to compare the Second Life of RIGHT NOW, with what SL will be in 21

months...and if past development, DESPITE HUGE growth in the platform size and

number of residents, is any indicator, the SL of today will have little comparison

to the SL of almost two years into the future.

[2008/04/21 11:25] Movies1963 Beck: Mitch could it be that the falling out between

Cory and Philip which resulted in Cory leaving and then very shortly there after

Philip dramiticly on his own rez day resigning has CEO is nothing more then smoke

and mirrors so that some "deep pokect" invester can then slowly put in place a new

CEO?

[2008/04/21 11:26] Tammy Nowotny: and the performace makes the interface seem more

difficult, sometimes

[2008/04/21 11:26] Ida Recreant: I like immersive grid's focus on some

"connecting" platform, so that we can move from one type of platform to another.

[2008/04/21 11:26] Olando7 Decosta: but what about immersion and identification

with the avatar

[2008/04/21 11:26] IM: Robbie Kiama: agreed Temporal

[2008/04/21 11:26] Ida Recreant: Olando7 we're on the same wavelength

[2008/04/21 11:26] Rich Grainger: why not create a sl lite for handhelds, limit

rez, bw, and tools

[2008/04/21 11:26] JenzZa Misfit: exactly Olando .... there is value in that ....

that is huge

[2008/04/21 11:26] Hydra Shaftoe finds that by the third meeting or so,

corpotations using SL for teleprescence meetings have really gotten into the groove

and are quite fluid here. A lot of these companies seem to be preying on the fear

by people in these corporations of using a "complex" platform like SL, who haven't

actually given it a try.

[2008/04/21 11:26] Farqot Gustafson: Amen, Tammy!

[2008/04/21 11:27] Janet Albanese: My students love it as a free tool.

[2008/04/21 11:27] IM: LifeFactory Writer: Second Life started out as a "game"--if

I understand correctly--and it was the compulsion of market demand that pushed them

to have to begin expanding their offerings to enterprise solutions. It seems to me

that they now have almost more to do than is viable given the pace of development

being demanded. Naturally it is easier for a small start up to leap onto one

aspect of VR, pour all resources into it, and potentially "overtake" SL on that

front. This does not seem to me to be grounds for lashing Linden Lab as

"incompetent" or some other variation of that critique.

[2008/04/21 11:27] Taku Fizir: / I can't imagine conservative businessmen being

comfortable in SL until someone creates conservative adult male hairstyles.

[2008/04/21 11:27] Olando7 Decosta: lol

[2008/04/21 11:27] Movies1963 Beck: Google will

[2008/04/21 11:27] IM: Aldon Huffhines: It seems like this gets to an underlying

issue... What is the business model? Enterprise tool? Brand marketting?

Playground for creatives? Some combination of all of that? Other things?

[2008/04/21 11:27] Hydra Shaftoe nods at Taku

[2008/04/21 11:28] Lovely Person: st mensings Voice is on

[2008/04/21 11:28] Lehnerd Euler: What about the Media Grid approach to the open

education grid.. SL, Wonderland, Croquet/Cobalt..

[2008/04/21 11:28] IM: Temporal Mitra: Cindy...I agree....using gartner to review

second life...is like using a metal detector to find unicorns in your sock

drawer....using the wrong tool to measure something will NEVER yield good results

[2008/04/21 11:28] IM: Alaya Kumaki: they should have some develioppers of

theire own than, instead coming in a one that dosnt meet their needs

[2008/04/21 11:28] JenzZa Misfit shouts: click this link to join the metanomics

group and participate in the back chat ! secondlife:///app/group/a5b8e891-e990-

9767-d73a-cbb0f0a87e46/about/

[2008/04/21 11:28] IM: Media Hax: exactly Aldon... perhaps our new CEO will define

that soon...

[2008/04/21 11:28] Hydra Shaftoe was looking for an AV that looked like himRL, and

could not find a slightly balding early 30's average tall male *anywhere*.

[2008/04/21 11:29] Bjorlyn Loon: thanks JenzZa!

[2008/04/21 11:29] Aimee Trescothick: they can go bald graceful, that's pretty

conservative

[2008/04/21 11:29] IM: Temporal Mitra: Life...Second life was never a

game....second life was a platform made by geeks...FOR geeks...it was not designed

to be a polished "game"...

[2008/04/21 11:29] IM: Bopete Yossarian: agreed, Temporal

[2008/04/21 11:29] Movies1963 Beck: Mitch could it be that the falling out between

Cory and Philip which resulted in Cory leaving and then very shortly there after

Philip dramiticly on his own rez day resigning has CEO is nothing more then smoke

and mirrors so that some "deep pokect" invester can then slowly put in place a new

CEO?

[2008/04/21 11:29] IM: Movies1963 Beck: Mitch could it be that the falling out

between Cory and Philip which resulted in Cory leaving and then very shortly there

after Philip dramiticly on his own rez day resigning has CEO is nothing more then

smoke and mirrors so that some "deep pokect" invester can then slowly put in place

a new CEO?

[2008/04/21 11:29] IM: Dizzy Banjo: i think there is a thread missing in this

discussion which doesnt comprehend the power of what LL have developed her as a

creative platform, and the level of social development that has happened over the

lifetime of SL.. that in itself makes SL on a completely different level to many of

the startups.. as cory explained last week

[2008/04/21 11:29] IM: CeAire Decosta: Pandora's out of the box now Temporal!

[2008/04/21 11:30] IM: Bevan Whitfield nods at Dizzy

[2008/04/21 11:30] IM: CeAire Decosta: Agreed Dizzy!

[2008/04/21 11:30] IM: Aimee Trescothick: absolutely

[2008/04/21 11:30] IM: Tammy Nowotny: the isseus with the SL pclient's erformance

makes lot of the oddities in the interface seem much worse

[2008/04/21 11:30] IM: Dizzy Banjo: no they wont be in general

[2008/04/21 11:30] Ancient Shriner: Wait for a huge oil crunch that makes global

jetsetting VERY expensive, you will see corps RUN to virtual worlds

[2008/04/21 11:30] BigMike Bukowski: .............................................

[2008/04/21 11:30] IM: Alaya Kumaki: yes its may be use by companies as

an intern tools as for educationnal did with it

[2008/04/21 11:30] IM: Malburns Writer: Agreed Dizzy - am keeping eye on Vast park

though

[2008/04/21 11:30] Joia Sands: Not to be skeptical, Dizzy, but truthfully that is

not that relevant to mainstream business...which is where the investment dollars

are.

[2008/04/21 11:30] Hydra Shaftoe: / Magrathean's dGig closed SL corporate system

is getting a lot of intrest, though mostly clients that want their secrecy

(government, etc)

[2008/04/21 11:31] IM: Aimee Trescothick: SL encourages individual innovation

[2008/04/21 11:31] Roaming Nightfire: i would demand nothing less

[2008/04/21 11:31] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Right Dizzy, the point is does LL drop

the ball going forward with heavy competition at the door.

[2008/04/21 11:31] Libbi Timeless: Fair Use?

[2008/04/21 11:31] IM: Dizzy Banjo: business collaboration tools are one thing

really.. but personally i think thats a completely different thing to SL

[2008/04/21 11:31] IM: LifeFactory Writer: I tend to agree with you, Dizzy. And,

regardless of whether smaller companies "master" various aspects, I doubt any

platform can catch up to SL as a "comprehensive world." I don't know LL's plan,

but they do seem to be driven by a very large philosophical idealism, almost, which

may be at odds with the market?

[2008/04/21 11:31] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Not hugely interesting, except to 7

million uniques a month....

[2008/04/21 11:31] Libbi Timeless: smiles

[2008/04/21 11:31] IM: Zotarah Shepherd: I like that SL is a platform for a number

of activities: business, educational, creative building and social - a whole world

full of rich content. Other platforms seem just for one thing.

[2008/04/21 11:31] IM: Temporal Mitra: CeAire...pandora was never in the box...she

opened the box...but I understand your metaphor...but keep in mind that SL is

moving forward....it is STILL in it's infancy...and is leagues ahead of any other

user generated content platform

[2008/04/21 11:31] Ariel Miranda: Who would you suggest are looking like the

biggest one or two competitors to SL?

[2008/04/21 11:31] IM: Aldon Huffhines: And what happens as people age out of Club

Penquin? Where do they go? Will they come to SL?

[2008/04/21 11:31] Roaming Nightfire: ahhh, an investment question

[2008/04/21 11:32] Ariel Miranda: :-)

[2008/04/21 11:32] BigMike Bukowski: ack stuck key

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: Tara Yeats: Lifefactory - important points, me-thinks

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: CeAire Decosta: Very much agreed Temporal. But as it being

just developed by geeks for geeks. I don't consider myself a geek!

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: Robbie Kiama: @Aldon - I think some for sure will

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: Alaya Kumaki: im becoming one

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Whatever happened to opencroquet?

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: Robbie Kiama: @CeAire - it's becomming by geeks for normal

people - step by step :)

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: the community here is so essential... I

joined SL because I was writing a book and really lonely at home alone... I came

here to meet you all. What I found in building and intellectual development is

important, but community is essential.

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Open Croquet is the underlying software

for QWAQ

[2008/04/21 11:32] IM: CeAire Decosta: LOL!

[2008/04/21 11:33] IM: Dirk Talamasca: That is when Fisher-Price starts making

computers and jeans and perfumes for teens on up to the geriatric set, right?

[2008/04/21 11:33] Taku Fizir: / chatters, please remember to silence your

keyboards by starting each line with a slash /

[2008/04/21 11:33] IM: Malburns Writer: Yep - Croquet still going strong i think

[2008/04/21 11:33] IM: Dirk Talamasca: I can't wait to get a walker with those lil

poppy balls in it

[2008/04/21 11:33] Lehnerd Euler: often overlooked are the

education/learning/training sectors ....

[2008/04/21 11:33] IM: Tara Yeats: Dirk - I flinch at the image of Fisher-Price

walkers! lol

[2008/04/21 11:33] Joia Sands: Audio is VERY loud

[2008/04/21 11:33] IM: CeAire Decosta: Unless they are recalled because they were

made in China!

[2008/04/21 11:33] TJ Asp: LIFE FACTORY

[2008/04/21 11:33] Alaya Kumaki: something wrong with the sound

[2008/04/21 11:33] LifeFactory Writer: That was me...so sorry! I have a bug.

[2008/04/21 11:34] Dizzy Banjo: lol lifefactory..

[2008/04/21 11:34] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hey Dirk

[2008/04/21 11:34] Joia Sands: Agreed Alaya

[2008/04/21 11:34] Chaoman Aeon: it's ok.

[2008/04/21 11:34] IM: Temporal Mitra: Personally I think that killing banks...and

gambling in second life were two good moves on the part of LL to move into the more

mainstream platforms for enterprise use...but...they have made some bad moves

too...like the lowering of land values...where that has caused huge losses to SL

investors...they made a 40% change in land values overnight...they should take a

clue from the Fed...when they change interest rates...they do it 1/4 percent at a

time...

[2008/04/21 11:34] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Hi Bevan :D

[2008/04/21 11:34] LifeFactory Writer: *scratches bug bite*

[2008/04/21 11:34] Aimee Trescothick hads out the pesticide

[2008/04/21 11:34] Aimee Trescothick: / *hands

[2008/04/21 11:34] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: There's actually a lot of intrest in closed

second life systems. Like Magrathean's dGig system, but the nature of the clients

who want a closed, secretive system (government, etc) is that the degree of market

share of those closed systems would be under-reported. Those clients want their

secrecy and are paying more for a closed system in order to achieve that.

[2008/04/21 11:34] Zoe Connolly: Hello Kheph, welcome

[2008/04/21 11:35] Kheph777 Enoch: Greetings!

[2008/04/21 11:35] Kheph777 Enoch Bows Graciously!

[2008/04/21 11:35] IM: JenzZa Misfit: <----waves a dainty hankie at Dirk

[2008/04/21 11:35] IM: Tracey Sassoon: Those who paid almost 1700 for an island

now will be loosing 700 dollars on their investment :(

[2008/04/21 11:35] IM: Malburns Writer: The growth of product-based and marketing

-based worlds is is short term enterprise and may be taking away attention from

development of a greater metaverse - key issue

[2008/04/21 11:35] Dizzy Banjo thinks thats because ROI requires a clear

objective.. ventures into an environment which is an unknown.. cannot have an

objective.. infact its better to not have an objective.. rather experiment

[2008/04/21 11:35] IM: Dahlia Trimble: Could SL be made more suitable as a

business or enterprise platform if the privacy and asset security were improved?

[2008/04/21 11:35] IM: Bevan Whitfield: lol

[2008/04/21 11:36] Richard Meiklejohn: /Aren't training budgets the first to get

cut when the economy looks shakey.. like now?

[2008/04/21 11:36] IM: CeAire Decosta: Just like RL real estate conditions now.

[2008/04/21 11:36] IM: Temporal Mitra: Hydra..closed systems would be the perfect

solutions for the enterprise user....make the system owner responsible for keeping

their own grid up....like the difference between an INTRAnet...and the INTERnet...

[2008/04/21 11:37] IM: Robbie Kiama: hehe so true Temporal

[2008/04/21 11:37] IM: Joia Sands: Malburns, how do you define "greater" though?

In terms of business participation? (the platform has to be improved first) In

terms of participation? (SL's number of actually simultaneous users is not that

high) In terms of creativity and stickiness? (SL rocks!)

[2008/04/21 11:37] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Do you think that people at LL believe

that VWs are about community, and not technology? Or have an idea about what the

community is, or how to support it?

[2008/04/21 11:37] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Temporal agree, ultimately many users

will want control over their personal space, but ability to be a part of a large

grid.

[2008/04/21 11:37] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Yes that's how we use dgig. we install the

system and the client runs it (or pays us to maintain it via a secure tunneled

vpn). it's a closed system for clients who dont want to be known. like if the air

force wanted to use sl to simulate where they want to drop patatroopers for covert

operations, you wouldn't want to risk that kind of information which could cost

soldiers lives to an open system like SL

[2008/04/21 11:38] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: it seems very unrealistic to compare the

attempt to define SL demographics to Barbie demographics

[2008/04/21 11:38] IM: Temporal Mitra: JimmyJet...for the enterprise

customer...what is the advantage of being connectable to a public grid?...

[2008/04/21 11:38] Alliez Mysterio: /research and development

[2008/04/21 11:38] IM: Aldon Huffhines: SNAP!

[2008/04/21 11:38] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: isnt it an advantage to be a better

reflection of the real world larger audience?

[2008/04/21 11:39] IM: Joia Sands: Jimmylet, that is why the Wonderland model

seems appealing

[2008/04/21 11:39] IM: Malburns Writer: for metaverse to work needs to be open for

both commercial and creative development hand in hand

[2008/04/21 11:39] IM: Tammy Nowotny: the latency would be problematic even for

people on the moon

[2008/04/21 11:39] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: I thought Gorrillas were the target SL

demographic, LOL

[2008/04/21 11:39] Klaatu Quintus: Schitzoid...started one way and then scattered.

[2008/04/21 11:39] Allister Beerbaum: it would seem to me that SL would be most

appealing to early adopters

[2008/04/21 11:39] Alaya Kumaki: maybe not one to respond to the usual market,

maybe it was to bring something diferent that will grow with times, and peoples

[2008/04/21 11:39] IM: Aldon Huffhines: I disagree that it is a problem.... Who is

the target audience for Firefox?

[2008/04/21 11:39] IM: Nite Zelmanov: SL is the myspave of virtual worlds. Lots of

fugly user generated content ;)

[2008/04/21 11:39] Janet Albanese: I don't think it is a problem but one of the

assest

[2008/04/21 11:39] IM: LifeFactory Writer: I missed what Mtich said...what did he

say about LL not having a vision of____ (what was it?)

[2008/04/21 11:39] IM: Windfairy Welles: you could also ask who is the target

group of the web (if you had a time machine and travelled to the year 1994)

[2008/04/21 11:39] Dizzy Banjo thinks thats a strength tbh.. it means they create

the strongest platform for creative entrepreneurs

[2008/04/21 11:40] Reed Steamroller: yeah that provides a level of freedom

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Tara Yeats: Nite - noi different than RL stripmalls!

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Temporal Mitra: ok...a question for the panel Beyers....IF

LL releases their region server code on open source...allowing people to create and

host their own regions, able to connect to the main grid for transactions and asset

resources...would that make a big difference in the future success of LL?

[2008/04/21 11:40] Reed Steamroller: you're not stuck being a furry animal, or

something, unless you want to be

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Nite Zelmanov: Aldon, that's a good point.

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Joia Sands: Aldon, I agree. The business model requires a

focus that investors can undersatnd, but the reality is that users will find their

own unique applications, so the world is the market/target.

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Troy McLuhan: The target demographic is people wanting to

be mermaids in Agarulia, and economics professors

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Nite Zelmanov: Tara: I avoid malls in both SL and RL

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Sonja Strom: Aldon, that is a good point - who is the

target audience for YouTube?

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Dizzy Banjo: yes Aldon

[2008/04/21 11:40] Reed Steamroller: you aren't confined to having swords and

spells or ray guns, unless you want them

[2008/04/21 11:40] Janet Albanese: and it is colabrotive.

[2008/04/21 11:40] Reed Steamroller: yeah

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Dizzy Banjo: specialisation doesnt necessarily mean better

[2008/04/21 11:40] IM: Nite Zelmanov: Sonja: I think they have more of a grip on

their demographics than LL, actually. Just a guess though

[2008/04/21 11:41] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: I think that the one thing I fault Linden

Labs for is not leveraging better information about demographics.

[2008/04/21 11:41] Chaoman Aeon: I wonder if it's too much freedom.

[2008/04/21 11:41] Ancient Shriner: Second Life is the only major platform that

provides the critcal three elements of a 'true' virtual world: User Created

Content, Persistance of Content, and Convertable Economy . . . nothing else comes

close. (Open to hearing of something that does all these three, but I don't off

hand know of any)

[2008/04/21 11:41] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: right Nite

[2008/04/21 11:41] Allister Beerbaum: they don't have the business processes

necessary to produce enterprise-grade software, they're a R&D companywith those

sorts of processes

[2008/04/21 11:41] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: JimmyJet laughs at Troy's comment!

[2008/04/21 11:41] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ......did Beyers get a nosejob ? (

sorry )

[2008/04/21 11:41] Kieron Lynagh: Its an interesting point. I am in RL events and

in crossing them into SL it is hard to graps the SL USP

[2008/04/21 11:41] IM: Dahlia Trimble: I thought LL was trying to be a platform

provider

[2008/04/21 11:41] IM: Alaya Kumaki: the only thing is that they should

provide agenda possibilities inworlds

[2008/04/21 11:41] IM: LifeFactory Writer: Maybe LL just needs a better public

relations department....this may not be the strong suit of "geeks" (whom I love,

btw!)

[2008/04/21 11:41] Kieron Lynagh: grasp*

[2008/04/21 11:41] Chaoman Aeon: I know imvu sort of does that.

[2008/04/21 11:41] Joia Sands: Beyers, question for Steve Prentice: What are the

other two stages for investment? :)

[2008/04/21 11:41] EvansMom Goodspeed nods at ancient

[2008/04/21 11:41] IM: Tara Yeats: the "good little consumer" model is also dead,

if there's a message in Web 2

[2008/04/21 11:41] Richard Meiklejohn: /yeah good job they don't look at the ROI

of most training...

[2008/04/21 11:42] Ancient Shriner: Chaoman, IMVU does not do that

[2008/04/21 11:42] Chaoman Aeon: hm...

[2008/04/21 11:42] Ancient Shriner: environments are pre-generated, and are

modifiable

[2008/04/21 11:42] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: yes, but leveraging academic work on

demographics would make for a better entrepreneur model and economic return

[2008/04/21 11:42] IM: Alaya Kumaki: but we can always go ont he blog and

tell all about this or at the office hours witch is greath

[2008/04/21 11:42] Ancient Shriner: but you cannot create one from scratch

[2008/04/21 11:42] Chaoman Aeon: yes you can.

[2008/04/21 11:42] IM: Aimee Trescothick: (He needs the TOES Jenza ;)

[2008/04/21 11:42] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Target market for ARPAnet was defense and

education.. now the web is filled with unmeasurable types of content.. Allowing

perople to post, create and express themselves isn't exactly a model that sucks.

[2008/04/21 11:42] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: and there are lots of resources for doing

sociological work in SL

[2008/04/21 11:42] Chaoman Aeon: entire room, objects and actions can be created

from scratch

[2008/04/21 11:42] IM: Aimee Trescothick: toes not nose

[2008/04/21 11:42] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Reduced travel time and increased

teleprescence is the bread and butter of a developer sales pitch

[2008/04/21 11:42] IM: Dizzy Banjo: agreed Dirk

[2008/04/21 11:42] Ancient Shriner: We'll argue that offline . . .in private IM

[2008/04/21 11:43] Chaoman Aeon: alright.

[2008/04/21 11:43] IM: Tara Yeats: good point Dirk

[2008/04/21 11:43] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: good summary Dirk

[2008/04/21 11:43] IM: Robbie Kiama: supporting Dirks's points

[2008/04/21 11:43] IM: Alaya Kumaki: they also are hireing now, if u want to

paricipate in sl development

[2008/04/21 11:43] IM: Bevan Whitfield nods at Dirk

[2008/04/21 11:43] IM: LifeFactory Writer: I hear so much criticsm of LL, but

little company rebuttal.

[2008/04/21 11:43] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: ARPA or LL? lol

[2008/04/21 11:43] Olando7 Decosta: what is the part of corporate customers in the

revenues of LL? is it actually important for them?

[2008/04/21 11:43] IM: Robbie Kiama: @Alaya - LL is searching for a new CEO ? :)

[2008/04/21 11:44] Temporal Mitra: agrees with ancient shriners comment...SL has

features that no one else can compare with....so why are they even making

comparisons?

[2008/04/21 11:44] IM: Alaya Kumaki: also some technician.. this i know

[2008/04/21 11:44] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: I very rarely criticize linden lab, because

they are making this up as they go. This is untrodden ground. The fate of pioneers

is always to be ridiculed, then emulated later.

[2008/04/21 11:44] IM: Dizzy Banjo: so LL flourishes again.. after all the start

ups create mini worlds that prove VW benefits.. then return to SL for the numbers ?

lol

[2008/04/21 11:44] IM: IYan Writer: no water cooler = because there is no more

common content (ie, same TV channels) according to Chris Anderson

[2008/04/21 11:44] IM: Dirk Talamasca: I applied. I am just waiting for them to

meet my demands of no brown M&M's backstage.

[2008/04/21 11:44] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: still looking for a link to the article,

anyone have it?

[2008/04/21 11:44] IM: EvansMom Goodspeed laughs at dirk's comment

[2008/04/21 11:45] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ..Dizzy .... they may visit and conduct some

meetings ,etc elsewhere ...but they will " live " here in the social world :)

[2008/04/21 11:45] IM: LifeFactory Writer: I work in strategic communications, and

the public relations front, for company or government, is a battlefield. But I do

not see much action by LL on this front.

[2008/04/21 11:45] IM: Aldon Huffhines: "Avatar Enhanced Communication" - Nice

phrase.

[2008/04/21 11:45] Joia Sands: Temporal, I agree too. And the issue I really find

with the people I have talked with who report on virtual worlds, is that they have

not visited and experimented in most of them. THey tend to have limited personal

experience, so they don't do a good job of discussing...or researching...the

meaningful issues.

[2008/04/21 11:45] IM: Alaya Kumaki: now its more focus on making it mobile

[2008/04/21 11:45] IM: Aldon Huffhines: How about make it possible so people can

do what they want, but not make it required.

[2008/04/21 11:46] Joia Sands: Make it work first Alaya :)

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Alaya Kumaki: for the chat message outworld

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: There needs to be a unified standard so

virtul world users can travel seamlessly between the different mini virtual worlds.

Keeping one's virtual identiy is tantamount to making the multiverse succeed

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: LifeFactory Writer: And the "community": is often so

critical, I am not sure leaving it up to the independent bloggers to conduct PR is

the best PR strategy.

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ....no one comes into SL to be alone

......nor will they enjoy aloneness elsewhere......

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Zha Ewry: Then just use IRC and webex.

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: Hydra ... YesssSSS

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Aimee Trescothick: I find most value in SL when I meet

people I didn't actually come here to meet

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Tara Yeats: Life - seems LL has relied more on "buzz" and

bloggers for "PR"... then blows it on how they handled the tm announcement

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Are we going to finally get back to

talking about immersion versus augmentation?

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Robbie Kiama: web2.0 is a try to become - not being alone

on the web anymore

[2008/04/21 11:46] IM: Malburns Writer: Agreed Hydra

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Dizzy Banjo: lol Aldon.. stop it ;) :P

[2008/04/21 11:47] Lehnerd Euler: Perhaps that is fine for some, but highly

creative people that generate the top end ideas, don't always wear suits and

ties...

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Bevan Whitfield has applied for a SL passport.

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Zha Ewry: People who argue that avatar looks don't matter,

dont actually spend time interactig with avatars, in my epxeirnece

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Temporal Mitra: Jenzza..I come to second life to be

alone....I am the Greta Garbo of Second Life...I spend all my time embedded in the

middle of a giant prim closing the constant flow of IM's from all my fans...

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Dizzy Banjo: yes Zha

[2008/04/21 11:47] Olando7 Decosta: yes Zha

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Alaya Kumaki: lolbevan

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: JenzZa Misfit: Temporal : I think I read that about you

.... but lets go dancing later anyway ! lol

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: LifeFactory Writer: Well, TAra, they may have worked when

they were small and growing...then they suddenly had this sudden growth spirt--must

have been hard to keep pace with. Perhaps the new CEO will also institute a

formalized PR machine, if they do not already have one (which remains invisible to

me).

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Windfairy Welles: Mensing obviously doesn't work/spend time

in-world so he doesn't know how appaling his avatar looks

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Bevan Whitfield: Oh, so true Zha.

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Aimee Trescothick: was thinking the same Zha

[2008/04/21 11:47] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hahah Jenz

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: Tara Yeats: Life - sure looks like it needs attention, I

agree!

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: LifeFactory Writer: *I meant to say that buzz and bloggers

may have worked when the company was young.

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: Temporal Mitra: ok Jenzza...but beware the sharp corners of

my giant prim...they will clear a dance floor in a heartbeat

[2008/04/21 11:48] Lovely Person: Business people have personalities that they

like to express too! :-)

[2008/04/21 11:48] Olando7 Decosta: don't hurt the feelings of Steve's avatar....

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: Bjorlyn Loon: got the reference, third one down on recent

research http://www.gartner.com/AnalystBiography?authorId=9656

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: Tara Yeats: hehe Wind - I don't think I'd buy a used

primcar from him

[2008/04/21 11:48] Bjorlyn Loon: got the reference, third one down on recent

research http://www.gartner.com/AnalystBiography?authorId=9656

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: Dizzy Banjo: stripping VWs down to a internalised 3d

collaboration tool.. isnt a virtual world.. lol

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ..... oh the old " I have a giant prim "

routine ... I love that story

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: Nite Zelmanov: Temporal isn't kidding, though. He's a

hermit

[2008/04/21 11:48] Bevan Whitfield: lol Olando7 - even avatar's have feelings...

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 11:48] IM: Nite Zelmanov: How else could he write so many scripts? ;)

[2008/04/21 11:48] Ancient Shriner: The game industry of the late 80's and early

90's is a good model to look at how this industry will shape up . . . back then

games could be made by a few folks (or even one really talented person) and they

could be competitive in the market. Over time, budgets increased to the point of

today that there are no major games released that don't have multi-million dollar

budgets and have been touched by a slew of marketing folks

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Dizzy Banjo: its an internal 3d collaboration stool

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Dizzy Banjo: lol ! not stool !

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Temporal Mitra: Jenzza...all I can say is I got MY body

parts when giant prims were still allowed

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Aimee Trescothick: it's a virtual bored(sic) room

[2008/04/21 11:49] Bevan Whitfield: avatars*

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Zha Ewry: An internal 3d collaboration tool, isn't actually

mof much interest

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Dizzy Banjo: but its about as interesting as a stool

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Tara Yeats: hah Dizzy!

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Dirk Talamasca: I agree with that Hydra.. Actually tying it

altogether so that you can use it from your TV or an appliance combining media with

computing power so we can zap from our treegouse in SL to World of Warcraft or to

that build that we left all crooked and broken in VastPark or to lop someones head

off in Age of Conan while ordering a pizza and paying for it in Linden Dollars or

whatever currency would be muy fabuloso.

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 11:49] Ancient Shriner: Mom and pops will be consumed by larger

companies, or driven out of business

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Dizzy Banjo: agreed Zha

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Aldon Huffhines: I'm sure Crap Mariner might have comments

about SL as a 'stool'

[2008/04/21 11:49] IM: Dizzy Banjo: lmao

[2008/04/21 11:50] Libbi Timeless: lol

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ....Dirk : but can I get fries with that ?

critical

[2008/04/21 11:50] Chaoman Aeon: that reminds me of what microsoft is trying to do

though.

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: Dizzy Banjo: damn it.. where is crap when we need him / her

/it

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: Dirk Talamasca: No Coke.. PEPSI!

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: Zoe Connolly: keep your stool samples to yourselves

[2008/04/21 11:50] Chaoman Aeon: leting its users make their own games.

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: JenzZa Misfit: LOL

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: EEeekkk Dirk, so you have given it some

thought huh? ...lololol

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: Aimee Trescothick: I want a pony

[2008/04/21 11:50] Ancient Shriner: or Electronic Arts

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: JenzZa Misfit: <---hands out lab cups

[2008/04/21 11:50] Reed Steamroller: NESIM

[2008/04/21 11:50] IM: Zoe Connolly: Hee!

[2008/04/21 11:50] Ancient Shriner: grinding the independents into the ground

[2008/04/21 11:50] A1 Markstein: but 2nd life isn't an open commons. it's a market

but not really a marketplace

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Again, though, there are a lot of

organizations VERY actively using SL for corporate training right now, but those

are also clients who want to not be disturbed. Therefore those success stories dont

often show up. I have EIGHT well-used sims that I can not say one word about.

[2008/04/21 11:51] A1 Markstein: 2nd life feels like a mall

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: So that badly skews the success ratio the

public sees

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: Temporal Mitra: that explains why Fema performed so poorly

when Katrina hit....their grid was down...

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: Sonja Strom: The Commonwealth sims in SL are a really great

demonstration of environmental issues.

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ...oh come on Hydra ... just say ONE word

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: Dizzy Banjo: yeh but SL has many constraints

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Firefox wouldn't let you ....

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Oh, never mind.

[2008/04/21 11:51] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Maybe you can pick out a pony and

genetically engineer it to be the color and temperment you want and ride it before

you buy it

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: LifeFactory Writer: I suspect there is a lot of very

innovative and quiet work going on in, SL, Hydra. It is nice to hear that

confirmed.

[2008/04/21 11:52] A1 Markstein: crashing is so common

[2008/04/21 11:52] Olando7 Decosta: LL has a narrow focus: hosting and delivering

some tools, leaving the rest up to the residents

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: Zha Ewry: The constraint, model

[2008/04/21 11:52] Taku Fizir: / ah, there's the biggest problem - SL crashes!

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: Zha Ewry: is to my mind, missing the point of the web

[2008/04/21 11:52] Violetta LeShelle: /hey olando

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: Dirk , you mean we can't?

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: Roaming Nightfire: on-rez?

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: Zha Ewry: The web is richly connected

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: Zha Ewry: so.. the paralell is

[2008/04/21 11:52] Tammy Nowotny: the whole sim they are sitting on just vanished

on my screen

[2008/04/21 11:52] Alaya Kumaki: i dont freeze

[2008/04/21 11:52] Tammy Nowotny: now it;'s back

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: Zha Ewry: roughly, that any one sim, or script or tool

wihtin the world

[2008/04/21 11:52] Taku Fizir: / I too had to restart SL, had "out of memory" err

(I've got 2GB RAM)

[2008/04/21 11:52] IM: Zha Ewry: should focus on one thing

[2008/04/21 11:53] A1 Markstein: why promote such a heavy bandwidth user as

anything other than a game?

[2008/04/21 11:53] Alaya Kumaki: portable are strong enouph,

[2008/04/21 11:53] Interview Chair 2.2 [script:ChairScript_main]: Script run-time

error

[2008/04/21 11:53] Interview Chair 2.2 [script:ChairScript_main]: Math Error

[2008/04/21 11:53] Alaya Kumaki: nt*

[2008/04/21 11:53] IM: Zha Ewry: The argument, that you sould be a narrow focused

thing, is hard to apply to a world, in the early going

[2008/04/21 11:53] Bjorlyn Loon: That talk with Zee Linden on Metanomics group

recently was great! Talk about getting an answer to your question!

[2008/04/21 11:53] A1 Markstein: more erros than microsffot

[2008/04/21 11:53] IM: Dizzy Banjo: absolutely Zha

[2008/04/21 11:53] JenzZa Misfit: me !?!?!?

[2008/04/21 11:53] Alaya Kumaki: the best componant is a double processor, and 2

gig

[2008/04/21 11:53] Robbie Kiama: hehe dying Beyers still manages to slip a

question to Zee :)

[2008/04/21 11:53] IM: Mitch Wagner: Oh, noes. Beyers has been eaten - all but his

voice.

[2008/04/21 11:54] Temporal Mitra: so we have heard a great deal today about why

second life will fail, why it is unsuitable for enterprise customers....we have not

heard any constructive suggestions on what LL could do to increase their chances of

succeeding...?....as an example.....IF LL releases their region server code on open

source...allowing people to create and host their own regions, able to connect to

the main grid for transactions and asset resources...would that make a big

difference in the future success of LL?

[2008/04/21 11:54] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Cheshire cat like....

[2008/04/21 11:54] Bevan Whitfield: lol Robbie, yep that's out Beyers :-)

[2008/04/21 11:54] Ancient Shriner: Do like the Chinese are doing . . . move to

Mainframe environments for the asset databases

[2008/04/21 11:54] Bevan Whitfield: our*

[2008/04/21 11:54] IM: Venus Jervil: :-)

[2008/04/21 11:54] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: The ghost of beyers past

[2008/04/21 11:54] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Correct. We don't narrow down the real

world to eating and surviving. We seem to find lots of other things to occupy our

interests

[2008/04/21 11:55] JenzZa Misfit: .... I can not even MOVE to be honest

[2008/04/21 11:55] A1 Markstein: I don't want to pay Linden Labs to host my

Corporations virtual Universe, Why do I have to?

[2008/04/21 11:55] Taku Fizir: / "the flat web"?

[2008/04/21 11:55] Ancient Shriner: what major bank uses clusters for their

financial databases?

[2008/04/21 11:55] A1 Markstein: That is the question

[2008/04/21 11:55] Ancient Shriner: answer = None

[2008/04/21 11:55] IM: Dirk Talamasca: like this shiny rock, for instance

[2008/04/21 11:55] Bevan Whitfield: all of mine are SLers!

[2008/04/21 11:55] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Playboy, beer, footballl

[2008/04/21 11:55] IM: Aldon Huffhines thinks about what Zha has said, and

reframes it in a Mitch Kapor model... The idea that spreadsheets should be

contrained, perhaps just for accountants...

[2008/04/21 11:55] Temporal Mitra: or if second life invested in more development

on compatiblitly with more vid cards....or more redundancy in the back end

servers...to improve the robustness of the grid....would that be the focus the

panel recommends

[2008/04/21 11:55] IM: Robbie Kiama: Mich rocks :)

[2008/04/21 11:56] IM: Aphilo Aarde: These information technologies are all just

communication tools to associate with whom we choose.

[2008/04/21 11:56] IM: Zha Ewry: Well, Aldon, or that

[2008/04/21 11:56] IM: Zee Linden: To answer Beyers question - Someone mentioned

that Pioneers are always criticized at first then copied later - & I think that's

true

[2008/04/21 11:56] Temporal Mitra: Beyers is gone...he will return

[2008/04/21 11:56] IM: Amber Carlberg: ...there has to be more to this group :(

[2008/04/21 11:56] IM: Zha Ewry: the web shouldn't support putting out

spreadhseets because it's just the web, it should focus on publishing

[2008/04/21 11:56] IM: Malburns Writer: Welcome Zee

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hello Zee

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Tammy Nowotny: to het back to FEMA... one of the excuses

was that the officvial didn't request help proiperly.. and they cdn't go thru the

usual channels s because their faxes, phones,. etc, were down

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Joia Sands: SL is not the pioneer though...probably Active

Worlds was. It was a 3D building world back in 1997

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Allister Beerbaum: Zee: the degree of risk absorbed by the

pioneer is of concern though

[2008/04/21 11:57] Ancient Shriner: I think Linden Labs needs to get rid of some

of their grid architecture dogma . . . they need to look to the big iron guys that

process the terabyes . . . guys like American Express, Visa, Mastercard, Chase . .

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Knildrig Aabye: what novel ?

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Roaming Nightfire: exactly what i was thinking "Halting

State"

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Zha Ewry: At the moment, I think that people lose track of

the edge between the platform and the apps which live on it

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: JenzZa Misfit: hello Zee .... if you need anything passed

to the panel let me know

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Quanta Torok: Ah, Buddy Holly style HUD's?

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Aldon Huffhines: I lost the ability to distinguish between

Real and Virtual years ago in MOOs, or perhaps longer ago in novels.

[2008/04/21 11:57] IM: Tammy Nowotny: spreasheets cause so many problems.. they

are an 80s technology being used for all the wrong thinsg with no documention

[2008/04/21 11:58] IM: Temporal Mitra: Joia..no one talks about pioneers that

starved to death...they only remember the pioneers that survived..and succeeded...

[2008/04/21 11:58] Michellemybelle Sittingbull: great idea

[2008/04/21 11:58] IM: Zee Linden: I think that's the case here. We do focus on

educational institutions with a discount for them, but it is true that the diverse

audience that is here is really our target audience. I'm sure there's lots of

different demographics and interests represented by the 200 people that are here &

probably more that are listening in other sims.

[2008/04/21 11:58] IM: Windfairy Welles: Joia wasn't that even 1996? I flew arounf

tere using a modem for crying out loud LOL

[2008/04/21 11:58] Alaya Kumaki: omg

[2008/04/21 11:58] IM: Roaming Nightfire: need some periferal vision

[2008/04/21 11:58] Tammy Nowotny: LOL @ the treadmill... if I had one today I

might've khurt myself,. though

[2008/04/21 11:58] Tammy Nowotny's RL avi has actually ridden on a Segway

[2008/04/21 11:58] Aimee Trescothick: ... and not mind looking like a complete

idiot

[2008/04/21 11:58] IM: Mitch Wagner: Have we lost Beyers' voice or is it just me?

[2008/04/21 11:59] IM: Zee Linden: I'm not sure anyone could accurately predict

exactly where to focus and nail it successfully.

[2008/04/21 11:59] IM: LifeFactory Writer: I hear Beyers.

[2008/04/21 11:59] IM: Robbie Kiama: I can hear him

[2008/04/21 11:59] IM: Venus Jervil: Poor Beyers!

[2008/04/21 11:59] IM: Malburns Writer: Agreed Zee - commerce also follows greater

developments as a rule and there is widde range here

[2008/04/21 11:59] IM: Robbie Kiama: Beyers is a Buddha - speaking to os from the

OTHER SIDE :)

[2008/04/21 11:59] IM: Zee Linden: A very wide range.

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Temporal Mitra: agreed Zee

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Zee Linden: Mores than $600m in user creations have been

bought and sold in Second Life

[2008/04/21 12:00] Bevan Whitfield: My giant snail went sim boarding this weekend.

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Venus Jervil: :-)

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Temporal Mitra: There is a reason that ANALyst is spelled

the way it is...lol

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Bevan Whitfield: I can hear him.

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Olando7 Decosta: how much of ur revenues comes from the big

rl corporations Zee?

[2008/04/21 12:00] JenzZa Misfit: lol Bevan !

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Venus Jervil: oooh! :-)

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Dizzy Banjo: Zee : I think the concept of creating

interesting creative tools and letting entrepreneurs define how they are used is

far more interesting, as the history of SL shows..

[2008/04/21 12:00] IM: Cindy Ecksol likes ZEE'S definittion of "successful"

[2008/04/21 12:00] JimmyJet Fossett: Yeah, the big thing with LL is teh technical

hipcups today at Metanomics must not be happening in coming months, or that may

allow a competitive opening

[2008/04/21 12:01] IM: Temporal Mitra: agrees with both Dizzy and Zee...

[2008/04/21 12:01] IM: Zee Linden: Very little of our revenues come from large RL

corporations.

[2008/04/21 12:01] ::: ED ::: Male AO (Wear Me)edited: Couldn't find animation ED

Male Stand 4

[2008/04/21 12:01] Dizzy Banjo: LIFE !!!

[2008/04/21 12:01] IM: Darleen Nikolaidis: I suppose that the corpoprations come

after the people. So it is just a matter to make SL a better and more attractive

experience to current and potential residents

[2008/04/21 12:01] IM: Olando7 Decosta: ty

[2008/04/21 12:01] Dizzy Banjo: lol

[2008/04/21 12:01] Alaya Kumaki: can u say that again

[2008/04/21 12:01] ::: ED ::: Male AO (Wear Me)edited: Couldn't find animation ED

Male Stand 4

[2008/04/21 12:01] Chaoman Aeon: lots of background noise.

[2008/04/21 12:01] Kristian Chevalier: lol

[2008/04/21 12:01] Joia Sands: bad ECHO

[2008/04/21 12:01] Alaya Kumaki: sound is impossible

[2008/04/21 12:01] IM: Roaming Nightfire: -++

[2008/04/21 12:01] Aimee Trescothick: Mute life

[2008/04/21 12:02] IM: Zee Linden: More than $120m worth of L$ have been sold on

the lIndex & more than 45% of that has been cashed out by residents

[2008/04/21 12:02] IM: Dirk Talamasca: You really can't do that because of

cultural/inyrtnational situations.. Nailing down the way you express yourself,

communicate, create or do business totally negates the potential that the Metaverse

possesses

[2008/04/21 12:02] IM: Robbie Kiama: and what part of daily trade comes from item

sales? ( if that's an open info )

[2008/04/21 12:02] Tammy Nowotny: try: http://udoshoutcast3.biz.tm:8088/listen.pls

[2008/04/21 12:02] IM: Zee Linden: We do have a long way to go in terms of

reliability & stability.

[2008/04/21 12:02] IM: Temporal Mitra: Zee...does that mean that LL is not overly

worried about the dismal forecasts of analysts that do corporate and enterprise

work?...since SL is not really an enterprise platform?

[2008/04/21 12:02] IM: Cindy Ecksol: Maybe the analysts are right: SL is not the

right platform for corporations. that doesn't mean that it won't succeed....by

some other definition.

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Olando7 Decosta: Zee, those figures, are those annual data,

quaterly?

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Mystical Demina: pretty hard to use SL as a replacement for

an e-commerce site right now

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Cindy Ecksol: and it doesn't sound as though LL would miss

it...

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Zee Linden: Orlando - that's since inception.

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Zee Linden: But there was years lof content creation long

before we started gaining press attention & I think that's the long term key to our

success.

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Venus Jervil: By living on the edge of what's technically

possible, people are finding solutions to their own problems, which then fiter out

to the wider community, so we are all developers here, to a greater or lesser

extent:-)

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Olando7 Decosta: tnx

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Zee Linden: SL will never be a replacement for an ecommerce

site - VW aren't as good as the web for that.

[2008/04/21 12:03] Temporal Mitra: on the contrary...that is precisely what many

of us are here to determine...the potential success or failure of SL

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Roaming Nightfire: definitely. the technology will succeed

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Windfairy Welles: somebody breating heavily!!

[2008/04/21 12:03] IM: Dizzy Banjo: it would be good to have this discussion..

with a balance of panelists, which represent both LL and the content creator

community..

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: Allister Beerbaum: Zee: has LL considered creating another

grid, that has the stability required for enterprise adoption?

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: Alaya Kumaki: because ur better at something diferent

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: LifeFactory Writer: Personally, I think LL's investment

into working on creating the portal that will allow avatars to move between all of

these "competing" platforms, will assure the company's longevity. That may be an

ill-informed projection, but I suspect not.

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: Cindy Ecksol: in a way SL is too "feature rich" to be a

good e-commerce platform

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: Dizzy Banjo: and residents of course

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: CeAire Decosta: Not yet Zee!

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: Zee Linden: The situation is not dire. We have plenty of

cash, we are growing very rapidly still & are quite profitable on a net basis.

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: JenzZa Misfit: ....Zee ... I so agree .. my island just had

its 2 year birthday ( yay ) .....we are creating history every day

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: Dizzy Banjo: yeh im not sure where the word "dire" comes

from.. lol

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: I agree Dizzy,... get 'er dun

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: JenzZa Misfit: dire !

[2008/04/21 12:04] IM: Zee Linden: Yes, more than $17m in revenue in Q1

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: LifeFactory Writer: Nor I, Dizzy.

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: ;-)

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Olando7 Decosta: great to hear that Zee

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Mystical Demina: I personally don't see companies using

someone else's platform to host their mission critical systems and will want to

host their own virtual world like they host their web sites

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Roaming Nightfire: ok, so you have revenue, please listen

carefully to what your customers need and want

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Bevan Whitfield: hey myst ;-)

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: LifeFactory Writer: But nobody is seeing that growth

anywhere else, Beyers!

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Temporal Mitra: Agreed Mystical

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Kristian Chevalier: how are the costs compared to the

revenues?

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Is SL still early stage?

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Chimera Cosmos: who is drew frobozz

[2008/04/21 12:05] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: good point Myst

[2008/04/21 12:06] Windfairy Welles: woudl somebody please shut off their micro?

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: Zee Linden: andits been steady for more than 5 years.

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: Zee Linden: Concurrency has grown linearly for more than a

year - so he's correct - growth is steady

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: Chimera Cosmos: hear him breathing :-)

[2008/04/21 12:06] Temporal Mitra: that is 36% a year?...that is not substantial

growth in your viewpoint?

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: Darleen Nikolaidis: Zee, I suppose those guys are not

concerned about Linden's financial health, but just about the kind of exponential

growth the gurus had predicted

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: Cindy Ecksol: 3% month over month is not peanuts!

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: JenzZa Misfit: .....dire !!!

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: Venus Jervil: he's breathing? :-)

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: LifeFactory Writer: VR is in its early stages, and SL is

still leading that front, I think.

[2008/04/21 12:06] Dizzy Banjo: Drew your mic is open

[2008/04/21 12:06] Joia Sands: Another great presentation Beyers. Thanks so much!

:)

[2008/04/21 12:06] Tammy Nowotny: TY for an interesting show

[2008/04/21 12:06] IM: CeAire Decosta: Right now SL is a "luxury" for both time

and money spent. RL problems in the world will affect how often and how much people

participate.

[2008/04/21 12:07] Richard Meiklejohn: /thanks for the show

[2008/04/21 12:07] Yxes Delacroix: DREW!

[2008/04/21 12:07] Temporal Mitra: a question...does info week's readership grow

by 3% a month?

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Bevan Whitfield: good question Aldon

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Malburns Writer: corps may like closed walls and firewalls,

but need put showrroms where the public are - like SL

[2008/04/21 12:07] Alaya Kumaki: lol

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Zha Ewry: The number that is of concern, I think, is that

the engaged user population, has flattened, and drifted down

[2008/04/21 12:07] Yxes Delacroix: DREW, Turn off your Mic, please

[2008/04/21 12:07] Tarilyn Staheli: is the audio/music stream staying open for us

to listen after the show for zee's response?

[2008/04/21 12:07] Alaya Kumaki: its more than the population of the country

[2008/04/21 12:07] Joia Sands: Agreed Zha

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Great show. thanks!

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Zee Linden: I tihnk its the hours and concurrency that

continue to grow steadily - last year was a tough comparison with the hype & the

killing of gambling & the implementation of VAT

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: CeAire Decosta: Also, summer means more folks not online!

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Dirk Talamasca: I think we can change that

[2008/04/21 12:07] Bevan Whitfield: thank you ST, Mitch, Beyers and Yyes!

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Zha Ewry: I wonder how much of that is driven off the

really horrible stability the past 2 months

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Sloan Skjellerup: Yesss Malburns

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: LifeFactory Writer: It may be some time before mass

audiences enter these platforms...the plateau in growth, may not be SL-centric, but

industry centric. I have seen no evidence of any other platform even beginning

tocatch up.

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: CeAire Decosta: Good show all!

[2008/04/21 12:07] Bevan Whitfield: x*

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Harper Beresford: how CAN anyone be engaged when the grid

is down or not functioning so frequently?

[2008/04/21 12:07] IM: Olando7 Decosta: great show

[2008/04/21 12:08] IM: Kristian Chevalier: as long as LL makes a profit it

shouldnt be a problem

[2008/04/21 12:08] IM: CeAire Decosta: That too Harper!

[2008/04/21 12:08] JenzZa Misfit shouts: ** STICK AROUND EVERYONE **** BEYERS WILL

BRB ***

[2008/04/21 12:08] Joia Sands: Zha, however, don't you think the base level of

overall interest and participation has increased significantly in the past 2 years?

It's trending up

[2008/04/21 12:08] IM: Zoe Connolly: Great show, thanks!

[2008/04/21 12:08] Temporal Mitra: population growth in the US is only 7% a

year....and those are non paying residents...until they grow enough to pay

taxes...lol

[2008/04/21 12:08] Robbie Kiama: nice discussion

[2008/04/21 12:08] JenzZa Misfit: ... I can NOT even move

[2008/04/21 12:08] Robbie Kiama: and the back chat :)

[2008/04/21 12:08] Hydra Shaftoe: 7% eems a tad high

[2008/04/21 12:08] IM: Malburns Writer: Great discussionas always

[2008/04/21 12:08] ST Mensing: Apologies - have to go - got another meeting to

attend!

[2008/04/21 12:08] Alaya Kumaki: than just sit jennz

[2008/04/21 12:08] Joia Sands: THanks ST

[2008/04/21 12:08] JenzZa Misfit: cant do that either lol

[2008/04/21 12:08] Zha Ewry: So.. the question, which is hard to look at, is

whether the engaged populaytion is getting larger

[2008/04/21 12:08] Alaya Kumaki: im not in your country thought

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Tammy Nowotny: (I had a funny exepereince Sunday morning

where LL was amazingly efficiicen, Zha)

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Robbie Kiama: true true

[2008/04/21 12:09] Joia Sands: Someone has an open mike and breathing heavily

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Harper Beresford: well, I said what Zha said... but I

wonder if LL is trying to stem growth a little and not let this spiral out of

control... sometimes too MUCH growth is worse...

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: LifeFactory Writer: Very pleased to hear a LInden staff

member weighing in on this discussion.

[2008/04/21 12:09] Chaoman Aeon: it's darth vader!

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Sonja Strom: Very!

[2008/04/21 12:09] Alaya Kumaki: lol

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Harper Beresford: I know, Tammy.. I think I was there for

that 15 minutes.. I got scared

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Bevan Whitfield: I agree Harper, but it is a small trade

off in exchange to have this amazing place to have the freedom to create and

socialize as one wishes.

[2008/04/21 12:09] Tammy Nowotny: will Zee's comemnst eb audible on the regular

streaming audio?

[2008/04/21 12:09] JenzZa Misfit: *** my list shows Mike Sparks ..lol ... open mic

***

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Zee Linden: I do Steady growth is much easier to manage.

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Aphilo Aarde: Yes

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Upgrading to make the grid more reliable is

necessary.. Unfortunately transactions etc come down... BUT would you rather have

that happen or be offline every Tuesday like we used to be?

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Cindy Ecksol: yes compared to other virtual worlds, sl has

a LOT more freedom

[2008/04/21 12:09] IM: Mystical Demina: history shows that it is not easy to hold

a leadership position, IBM PC lost out to others, Lotus, Novell to Microsofit,

Netscape to Miocrosoft, Apple to Microsoft, hehe should i go on

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Buffy Beale: Say what u will about SL but for my nonprofit

the connections have been priceless

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Malburns Writer: yep - self does not envy managing "rapid"

growth - lol

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Kristian Chevalier: apple has made a comeback :)

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Harper Beresford: Dirk, I would rather be offline for 8

hours every wednesday than offline all weekend, because that is what it seems we

are

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Bevan Whitfield: Well, we always have skype and twitter

during those "difficult" moments ;-)

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Alaya Kumaki: yes , it is safer to grow surely but

slowly

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Linden lab has an AMAZING reliability record

compared to other MMO worlds.

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: God those first 6 months of Ultima Online.

hah

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Darleen Nikolaidis: that's true, but major software

companies dominance lasts more than a year. I still feel that SL has a lot to give

in terms of leadership

[2008/04/21 12:10] Pollywog Gardenvale: :o)

[2008/04/21 12:10] Joia Sands: Malburns, you can't mix individual gains and

enjoyment with corporate or organizational goals though. They are different

[2008/04/21 12:10] Bevan Whitfield: wb Beyers!

[2008/04/21 12:10] IM: Chimera Cosmos: yea!

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Tammy Nowotny: but Apple came back. LOL.

[2008/04/21 12:11] Interview Chair 2.2 [script:ChairScript_main]: Script run-time

error

[2008/04/21 12:11] Interview Chair 2.2 [script:ChairScript_main]: Math Error

[2008/04/21 12:11] Olando7 Decosta: wb Beyers!

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Aimee Trescothick remembers half the internet regularly

disappearing or getting extremely laggy because the transatlantic link had gone

down

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Alaya Kumaki: enouph critik, now just celebrate

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Harper Beresford: all of these companies see growth that is

hard to get their arms around...

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: Divide by Zero Errors, with real calf

leather seating

[2008/04/21 12:11] JenzZa Misfit: you are on voice chat but not on SLCN yet

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Alaya Kumaki: hurray for the ll

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Aldon Huffhines: Well, I have lots of complaints about LL,

but it really seemed to me that the speakers today are concerned that it doesn't

meet their narrow definitions of healthy businesses, and didn't really have much

for valid criticisms, except for their small niche.

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Harper Beresford laughs.. I remember IRC being bombed

constantly

[2008/04/21 12:11] IM: Tammy Nowotny: of course they are now mostly the iPod

people... they kinda ended up as SONY's competitor more than M$'s

[2008/04/21 12:11] JenzZa Misfit shouts: Zee crashed but is on his way back

[2008/04/21 12:12] IM: LifeFactory Writer: I watched Zee wandering around back

stage.

[2008/04/21 12:12] IM: Cindy Ecksol: yes, exactly alaya!

[2008/04/21 12:12] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Thanks for the Metanomics event. Great

topic. LL has to get better tech. capabilities in coming months, or . . .

[2008/04/21 12:12] IM: Temporal Mitra: I was disappointed that the panel was not

more responsive to the questions the audience was posing...I wasnt here to talk

about quack...or barbie world...I was here to get indepth information about SL and

LL

[2008/04/21 12:12] Harper Beresford: he crashed because of his client? lol

[2008/04/21 12:12] Lovely Person: oh dear, shouldn't laugh! :-)

[2008/04/21 12:12] IM: Bopete Yossarian: agreed, Aldon

[2008/04/21 12:12] Bevan Whitfield: lol

[2008/04/21 12:12] Joia Sands: Aldon, I think the real issue is that the speakers

today are both selling their products to corporate buyers. :) THey have a different

perspective on what makes a virtual world usable/successful.

[2008/04/21 12:12] EvansMom Goodspeed: what time point did Zee make his comments?

i cant find in chat.

[2008/04/21 12:12] IM: Dirk Talamasca puts on Dire Straits - Making Movies

[2008/04/21 12:12] IM: Darleen Nikolaidis: whenever running a company you become a

"manager" and lose the original spirit, that's when everything goes flat. You have

to keep faithful to the blue ocean that created you, albeit giving its piece of

meat to efficiency

[2008/04/21 12:12] Harper Beresford watches Movies walk through the stage

[2008/04/21 12:13] JenzZa Misfit: hmmm

[2008/04/21 12:13] LifeFactory Writer: It's not me!

[2008/04/21 12:13] IM: Dizzy Banjo: lol dirk

[2008/04/21 12:13] JenzZa Misfit: LOL LIFE !

[2008/04/21 12:13] JenzZa Misfit: awwwww

[2008/04/21 12:13] Drew Frobozz: not I I'm pretty sure! :)

[2008/04/21 12:13] IM: Temporal Mitra: aldon...and gartners criticism of SL is

based on using a set of analyst tools that dont apply to this platform....we are

NOT a platform designed for use by real life corporations...

[2008/04/21 12:13] Olando7 Decosta: I saw him walking to the sea

[2008/04/21 12:13] IM: Dirk Talamasca: Great album

[2008/04/21 12:13] JenzZa Misfit: delete that chair Beyers

[2008/04/21 12:14] JenzZa Misfit: I cant

[2008/04/21 12:14] JenzZa Misfit: he has to

[2008/04/21 12:14] Aimee Trescothick: surely it's not that bad? :D

[2008/04/21 12:14] JenzZa Misfit: not that one LOL

[2008/04/21 12:14] JenzZa Misfit: good job

[2008/04/21 12:14] IM: Joia Sands: Actually, I think the back chat in these

presentations is as useful and enlightening as most of the presentations. I really

enjoy listening to you guys. This is a hard audience for presenters because the

group is so knowledgeable and opinionated.

[2008/04/21 12:14] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Temporal, maybe it is not a platform for

RL corps, but there seems to be demand for such, and an unmet demand gets met by

others.

[2008/04/21 12:14] JenzZa Misfit: ...yes Beyers should TP Zee

[2008/04/21 12:14] JenzZa Misfit: oops

[2008/04/21 12:14] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 12:14] IM: Chimera Cosmos: encore!

[2008/04/21 12:14] IM: Harper Beresford: Joia, except when we goof around

[2008/04/21 12:15] IM: Riech Corinthian: it must need another script

[2008/04/21 12:15] IM: Riech Corinthian: oops

[2008/04/21 12:15] IM: Bopete Yossarian: a demand by who, JimmyJet?

[2008/04/21 12:15] JenzZa Misfit: nawww .....

[2008/04/21 12:15] JenzZa Misfit: lol

[2008/04/21 12:15] Bevan Whitfield: woot! That's a compliment!

[2008/04/21 12:15] Pollywog Gardenvale: Zee has left the bldg!

[2008/04/21 12:15] IM: Hydra Shaftoe: What would Eric Clapton do? I bet he'd kick

a butt or two!

[2008/04/21 12:15] IM: Temporal Mitra: and as for the points put forth by the Info

week journalist...I would put a lot more credence in his finanacial analysis of the

relative health of LL and SL...if he were a financial analyst...not a technology

reporter

[2008/04/21 12:15] IM: Joia Sands: lol Pollywog

[2008/04/21 12:15] Klaatu Quintus: run away and hide! lol

[2008/04/21 12:16] IM: Harper Beresford: It's a blessing to know that the Lindens

suffer the same indignities that we do..

[2008/04/21 12:16] IM: JimmyJet Fossett: Bopete, why at this session was Beyers

logged out, why is everything laggy. At some point I and any businesss would

demand basics, I would think even non-business would want this.

[2008/04/21 12:16] A1 Markstein: nice networking technology

[2008/04/21 12:16] Lovely Person: You have such an infectious laugh, Yxes!

[2008/04/21 12:16] A1 Markstein: not ready for prime tme

[2008/04/21 12:16] Olando7 Decosta: Zee is back

[2008/04/21 12:16] IM: Tara Yeats: good point, Temp - besides, how adequate can a

financial analysis be of any non-publicly traded corp?

[2008/04/21 12:16] LifeFactory Writer: Welcome back.

[2008/04/21 12:16] IM: Joia Sands: Totally agree Jimmylet! :)

[2008/04/21 12:16] IM: Temporal Mitra: Jimmyjet...that is true...but why disparage

a healthy company for not being what they want to analyze....that is like

saying...a carrot